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MESS v0.141 released at ...
#243215 - 01/09/11 06:56 PM


http://www.mess.org

Get it while it's hot!

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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: RetroLover]
#243217 - 01/09/11 07:12 PM


So software lists are finally included? Can't believe my eyes.

Edit: Er, there were some .hsi files before but no lists came up for me. I guess I need to check it out more..



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243218 - 01/09/11 07:14 PM


software lists work since 0.138... I'm not sure they are included in the package though... you might need to download them from the wiki.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243219 - 01/09/11 07:17 PM


There are now xlm files in there. And I looked for software lists with the Find function on the wiki page and it found nothing. Anyway I need to look more into it before talking. :-)

I hope ClrMame will work now with a single link like with MAME.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243224 - 01/09/11 08:22 PM


> There are now xlm files in there. And I looked for software lists with the Find
> function on the wiki page and it found nothing. Anyway I need to look more into it
> before talking. :-)

I was in hurry, sorry. here you can find the file (if any is missing)

http://git.redump.net/cgit.cgi/mess/tree/hash/

you have to open the link, select the 'plain' version and save the resulting file

>
> I hope ClrMame will work now with a single link like with MAME.

nope. Roman is not interested into adding this kind of option to clrmame. hence, the best you can do at the moment is to batch scan/rebuild the various xmls rather than one by one

you can find more details in the User Manual

http://mess.redump.net/mess:howto

(search for software lists )



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243225 - 01/09/11 08:35 PM


I wonder if one day we can make a single scan for BIOS and software...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243230 - 01/09/11 09:13 PM


There won't be mass preservation of the lesser known hardware supported in MESS until there is a one-click style solution so it either needs support in ClrMame or it needs to be changed to be hard coded into the exe how MAME does it if that is something you guys are concerned about. Or maybe someone will make an audit program just for MESS.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: RetroLover]
#243237 - 01/09/11 09:53 PM


Nice to see a change for the n64 driver in the changelog...., wait, from mess 0.138?????

:P



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243238 - 01/09/11 09:55 PM


not interested? Interesting...it's more a question of easily accessing the single software lists automatically or bringing mess to a level where it simply includes all lists...

Well...till then you can handle the single files easily in the profiler plus use of the batcher...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Roman]
#243242 - 01/09/11 10:15 PM


last time we talked, you stated you had no time to add more options. I'm ready to discuss any possible improvement to lists that could facilitate your work.

given the size of the lists, we would prefer to leave the list output separate from the main xml (-listsoftware vs -listxml), but if it is too hard to handle 2 separate options (to be called sequentially) in clrmame, we can discuss how to simplify your life...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: tamalmalamarrado]
#243243 - 01/09/11 10:16 PM


you should check the whatsnew more often



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243251 - 01/09/11 11:42 PM


anyway, you can import at once all the xmls in the batch run menu. it basically is a "2 click" procedure: one scan for the BIOSes and a batch run for the xml (and clrmame takes care of all the intermediate steps between one xml and the next, if you setup properly the options)



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: tamalmalamarrado]
#243253 - 01/09/11 11:53 PM


> Nice to see a change for the n64 driver in the changelog...., wait, from mess
> 0.138?????
>
> :P

N64 seems broken in 0.141, anyway (at least on my Windows x64 compile). Although it was functioning (slowly) in previous releases.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Pr3tty F1y]
#243269 - 01/10/11 01:43 AM


which svn revision exactly? have you done a clean build? are you sure the exact same image was working before?

MacOSX 64bit build works better than ever here (latest svn rev)



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243271 - 01/10/11 02:26 AM


> which svn revision exactly? have you done a clean build? are you sure the exact same
> image was working before?
>
> MacOSX 64bit build works better than ever here (latest svn rev)

Not an SVN build. Just a generic MESS 0.141 x64 build. Everything just black screens.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Pr3tty F1y]
#243272 - 01/10/11 02:33 AM


Not sure what svn revision 0.141 MESS used, but the current driver status in SVN is better now than in a long time. A lot of stuff has happened since MAME release 0.141.. a lot!



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Tafoid]
#243274 - 01/10/11 02:37 AM


> Not sure what svn revision 0.141 MESS used, but the current driver status in SVN is
> better now than in a long time. A lot of stuff has happened since MAME release
> 0.141.. a lot!

Ugh...

Installing Slik Subversion...



All kidding aside, I have put playing Ocarina of Time on hold until there is a reasonably accurate emulator (Yes, I've never actually played through it ). I don't expect MESS to solve that for me right now, but seeing "proper" N64 emulation makes me look like



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: RetroLover]
#243277 - 01/10/11 02:53 AM


Currently I am not able to try the latest version of MESS, so if somebody can tell me where is reached emulation of Atari Jaguar console?



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243306 - 01/10/11 10:30 AM


Actually I think it's still a quick scan at the moment and no real need to multiple run mess for each and any system to get the software list.

Simply drop all xml files into the profiler and let the Batcher does the rest for you...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Roman]
#243312 - 01/10/11 12:48 PM


> Actually I think it's still a quick scan at the moment and no real need to multiple
> run mess for each and any system to get the software list.

you don't need multiple runs: with "mess -listsoftware" you get an xml with *all* software lists at once [1], and without repetitions (e.g. genesis and megadrive and their clones share the same list, but this list appears only once)

hypothetical usage sample: each entry from the -listsoftware output could appear in a selectable menu generated by clrmame and users might select which lists they want to scan/rebuild and which not... and then the selected entries could be run in a batch process as if separate xmls.

the tricky part would be (imho) to match the lists in the -listsoftware output with the proper drivers, to offer advanced management options... but this is an 'advanced' option, so we can ignore it at this stage


[1] except the ones not hooked up to the emulator... those have to be fed manually because they are invisible to the exe...



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2600 love... new [Re: RetroLover]
#243324 - 01/10/11 06:34 PM


Glad to see it:

System Driver Changes:
----------------------
- [A2600] Fixed a bug that could cause crashes on exits. (bug #1948)
[Atari Ace]

- [A2600] Fixed a crash in Pitfall 2. [Atari Ace]



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Re: 2600 love... new [Re: Trebor]
#243338 - 01/10/11 10:28 PM


> Glad to see it:
>
> System Driver Changes:
> ----------------------
> - [A2600] Fixed a bug that could cause crashes on exits. (bug #1948)
> [Atari Ace]
>
> - [A2600] Fixed a crash in Pitfall 2. [Atari Ace]

Has anyone ahown any interest in looking at the RM Link 480Z? We had one at junior school - it would be mad to play Granny's Garden again after all these years!

Edited by Fever (01/10/11 10:29 PM)






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Re: 2600 love... new [Re: Fever]
#243368 - 01/11/11 05:38 AM



>Has anyone ahown any interest in looking at the RM Link 480Z? We had one at junior
> school - it would be mad to play Granny's Garden again after all these years!


It appears this is the only computer system, currently supported in MESS, made by that company.

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http://git.redump.net/cgit.cgi/mess/tree/src/mess/messdriv.c

/* Research Machines */
DRIVER( nimbus ) /* RM Nimbus 186 */

http://git.redump.net/cgit.cgi/mess/tree/src/mess/drivers/rmnimbus.c
---




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Re: 2600 love... new [Re: gregf]
#243386 - 01/11/11 11:11 AM


MESS is interested in all the existing systems, like MAME is in all the arcade games, but without a BIOS dump we cannot do anything



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243394 - 01/11/11 01:20 PM


hmm...k...I will have a look at it again



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Roman]
#243396 - 01/11/11 01:56 PM


while at it, could you please check cdi.xml (http://git.redump.net/cgit.cgi/mess/plain/hash/cdi.xml) ?

we have modified lists so that chds are handled the same as MAME (and not anymore like roms). could you update clrmame to handle them as well?



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Pr3tty F1y]
#243409 - 01/11/11 05:43 PM


> All kidding aside, I have put playing Ocarina of Time on hold until there is a
> reasonably accurate emulator (Yes, I've never actually played through it ). I don't
> expect MESS to solve that for me right now, but seeing "proper" N64 emulation makes
> me look like

Proper emulation looks something like this. (Someone else has a channel going showing N64 demoscene stuff that only runs on current-SVN MESS).



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243410 - 01/11/11 05:46 PM


> There won't be mass preservation of the lesser known hardware supported in MESS until
> there is a one-click style solution so it either needs support in ClrMame or it needs
> to be changed to be hard coded into the exe how MAME does it if that is something you
> guys are concerned about. Or maybe someone will make an audit program just for MESS.

Too late. [extremely popular MAME torrent site] carries complete MESS software packs made from the lists ;-)



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: R. Belmont]
#243413 - 01/11/11 05:54 PM


I can't find it, unfortunately, but the only long term solution is an easy audit. Or maybe MESS lists aren't updated often like MAME ones. I can't imagine they are, actually, but I wouldn't think MAME ones would be as much either unless I had seen all the whatsnews from past years. Anyway, I don't see the torrent, assuming you are talking about PB.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243414 - 01/11/11 06:06 PM


> Anyway, I don't see the torrent, assuming you are
> talking about PB.

Maybe RB meant to say PD

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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243415 - 01/11/11 06:17 PM


> I can't find it, unfortunately,

you can start looking for nointro sets for consoles: those would already give you a large percentage of the current MESS sets (except for NES, which uses split roms as MAME instead of iNES craps)

> but the only long term solution is an easy audit.

have you actually tried the batchrun menu of clrmame?

I think it works pretty well until Roman finds a better solution...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243417 - 01/11/11 06:22 PM


Well no but for now I found the torrent. It's about the farthest thing in the world from a one click style solution though. If I wanted to jump through hoops I'd join a circus...



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: R. Belmont]
#243424 - 01/11/11 08:03 PM


> Proper emulation looks something like this. (Someone else has a channel going showing
> N64 demoscene stuff that only runs on current-SVN MESS).

Oh! The Nacho64 demo. I just remembered i couldn't make it run properly on any emulator. Though it probably runs on everything else by now. Still, is nice to see it working in an emulator which doesn't need me tweaking plug-ins to make it work.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Smitdogg]
#243430 - 01/11/11 09:45 PM


> ...If I wanted to jump through hoops I'd join a
> circus...




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Re: 2600 love... new [Re: etabeta]
#243431 - 01/11/11 10:09 PM


> MESS is interested in all the existing systems, like MAME is in all the arcade games,
> but without a BIOS dump we cannot do anything

That;s interesting because it says Here "RM was unique in that it published the full source code for the BIOS." but the guy doesn't say where exactly, and may be mistaken, but interesting all the same...






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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243432 - 01/11/11 10:17 PM


yeah yeah..chds are parsed already in my build
however...do you have the DTD part handy?



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Roman]
#243434 - 01/11/11 10:43 PM


> yeah yeah..chds are parsed already in my build

great

> however...do you have the DTD part handy?

same folder, softwarelist.dtd : http://git.redump.net/cgit.cgi/mess/plain/hash/softwarelist.dtd



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#243436 - 01/11/11 11:05 PM


> you can start looking for nointro sets for consoles: those would already give you a
> large percentage of the current MESS sets (except for NES, which uses split roms as
> MAME instead of iNES craps)

Pardon me for asking, but wtf does nointro mean?


Nevermind.

Edited by redk9258 (01/11/11 11:10 PM)



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: BIOS-D]
#243441 - 01/12/11 12:59 AM


> > Proper emulation looks something like this. (Someone else has a channel going
> showing
> > N64 demoscene stuff that only runs on current-SVN MESS).
>
> Oh! The Nacho64 demo. I just remembered i couldn't make it run properly on any
> emulator. Though it probably runs on everything else by now. Still, is nice to see it
> working in an emulator which doesn't need me tweaking plug-ins to make it work.

My 3.2ghz Q6600 isn't fast enough to run at anywhere near full speed.

Maybe some SandyBridge (and the undying hope of optimizations) will make me more



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Roman]
#243533 - 01/12/11 11:52 PM


btw, I have just fixed a few problems with -listsoftware output: not all the loading flags were properly added, a few sizes and offsets were wrong, etc.

if you now launch "mess -listsoftware", you actually obtain the same result as if you were copying and pasting in a single file the dtd + all the lists (except, of course, for comments in the original files which are not included in the output).
this should be of help if you really are going to try using its output in clrmame



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Re: 2600 love... new [Re: Fever]
#243652 - 01/14/11 04:25 PM


> That;s interesting because it says Here "RM was unique in that it published the full
> source code for the BIOS." but the guy doesn't say where exactly, and may be
> mistaken, but interesting all the same...

Not that unique - the Apple II ROM source listings were published, and I think the original IBM 5150 PC's were as well.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: AntoPISA]
#244933 - 01/29/11 05:24 PM


Anyone help with N64 in MESS 141?
All the ROMS loads OK but nothing happens.... BLACK SCREEN SKIP 0/10 100%
anyone help me please?

Thanks!



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: RalphUp]
#244935 - 01/29/11 05:30 PM


There's a GAME_NOT_WORKING screen for a reason. Though a little confused how Mario 64 apparently used to play with bugs..



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: RalphUp]
#244943 - 01/29/11 08:54 PM


use this build:

http://bobz38.free.fr/mess_autobuild/index.php

the n64 problem got fixed around the time of the release and it was not included by mistake. it will be fine in 0.142, but until then either you compile by yourself the code or you better use bobz' daily build



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#244959 - 01/29/11 11:38 PM


Oh, wrong again..

Hmm, Mario 64 seems to stall before the save select, Killer Instict seems to work (not gone in game) and Pokemon Stadium just flat out doesn't work. I'll put a note on my desktop to use P64 for now



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Naoki]
#244995 - 01/30/11 04:49 AM


> Oh, wrong again..
>
> Hmm, Mario 64 seems to stall before the save select, Killer Instict seems to work
> (not gone in game) and Pokemon Stadium just flat out doesn't work. I'll put a note on
> my desktop to use P64 for now

Mario 64 goes into game fine for me. Maybe you're doing it wrong?



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Naoki]
#244998 - 01/30/11 05:17 AM


> Oh, wrong again..
>
> Hmm, Mario 64 seems to stall before the save select, Killer Instict seems to work
> (not gone in game) and Pokemon Stadium just flat out doesn't work. I'll put a note on
> my desktop to use P64 for now

What the hell is P64? Anyway maybe you deserve something else instead?



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: R. Belmont]
#245039 - 01/30/11 03:02 PM


Brand new install of MESS, maybe a different revision? I remember one had no rumble support and another did. *shrug* I'll look into it.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Shoegazr]
#245040 - 01/30/11 03:04 PM


I'm not complaining, it's progress none the less. Anyway P64 is Project 64, a HLE emulator.



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: etabeta]
#245077 - 01/30/11 10:35 PM


Is there any way to turn that new UI off? It's offputting..
Also the AVI Writing seems to not cover the whole screen, since my recording is missing a thrid of it..

Edited by Naoki (01/30/11 11:35 PM)



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: Naoki]
#245083 - 01/30/11 11:53 PM


> Is there any way to turn that new UI off? It's offputting..

If you're referring to what I think you are, in MESSUI, select Options / Default System Options. Click on the Miscellaneous tab. Uncheck "Use New UI."

Post #1000. Woot!



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Re: MESS v0.141 released at ... new [Re: ranger_lennier]
#245134 - 01/31/11 03:05 AM


> > Is there any way to turn that new UI off? It's offputting..
>
> If you're referring to what I think you are, in MESSUI, select Options / Default
> System Options. Click on the Miscellaneous tab. Uncheck "Use New UI."
>
> Post #1000. Woot!

Plain ol' MESS I be usin'



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Re: -nonewui under command line -nt- new [Re: Naoki]
#245135 - 01/31/11 03:25 AM


> > > Is there any way to turn that new UI off? It's offputting..
> >
> > If you're referring to what I think you are, in MESSUI, select Options / Default
> > System Options. Click on the Miscellaneous tab. Uncheck "Use New UI."
> >
> > Post #1000. Woot!
>
> Plain ol' MESS I be usin'



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Error: unknown option: -nonewui -nt- new [Re: Kale]
#245138 - 01/31/11 04:18 AM





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Re: Error: unknown option: -nonewui new [Re: Naoki]
#245139 - 01/31/11 04:23 AM


That was recently moved to only be used with MESSUI, not the core MESS.



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Re: Error: unknown option: -nonewui new [Re: Tafoid]
#245142 - 01/31/11 04:37 AM


Buggar, never liked MESSUI/MAMEUI


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