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Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition!
#307294 - 04/15/13 01:35 AM


Done by Clay Cowgill,

http://www.multigame.com/dkp_arcade.html

And looks like it WILL be at an arcade (Ground Kontrol) so I guess that means it will go into MAME as a clone??....

EDIT: Also MAME Devs, check out Clay's note to you at the very bottom. Not sure if it's important, but it's there...

Edited by XtraSmiley (04/15/13 01:36 AM)



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307297 - 04/15/13 02:05 AM


> Done by Clay Cowgill,
>
> http://www.multigame.com/dkp_arcade.html

Great read.

The "INTEND" tamper protection is cute.

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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307300 - 04/15/13 04:01 AM


> Done by Clay Cowgill,
>
> http://www.multigame.com/dkp_arcade.html
>
> And looks like it WILL be at an arcade (Ground Kontrol) so I guess that means it will
> go into MAME as a clone??....
>
> EDIT: Also MAME Devs, check out Clay's note to you at the very bottom. Not sure if
> it's important, but it's there...

Very nice work there, and a good explanation of the investigation that was done.



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Cool. new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307304 - 04/15/13 04:57 AM


This should be added in the HBMAME not MAME.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: Dullaron]
#307314 - 04/15/13 02:41 PM


IMHO MAME is already full of hacks/etc games that adding this one really wouldn't be any different.

Just saying...



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Re: Cool. new [Re: LongJohns]
#307315 - 04/15/13 03:02 PM


Well, this hack will actually be in an arcade earning money (or is right now) so I think THAT is the requirement for MAME right?



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Re: Cool. new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307318 - 04/15/13 03:47 PM


It seems to be one of them, the other being if something is sold or not. I can't tell if he's selling this or just talking about it. At any rate changing Mario's running graphics is one of the least interesting things I have ever seen done in a hack and I don't understand the public's fascination with it beyond something cool a dad did for his daughter. Beyond thinking what a cool dad, I wouldn't even download it.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307320 - 04/15/13 05:59 PM


> And looks like it WILL be at an arcade (Ground Kontrol) so I guess that means it will
> go into MAME as a clone??....

I kind of enjoy that every bedroom hacker on the planet now tries to get their shit on location so that Pokeroms can then argue that it must go into MAME.

Hopefully he's not actually accepting real currency for playing it. I don't think the Ground Kontrol guys are that stupid though.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: R. Belmont]
#307327 - 04/15/13 06:56 PM


Do you think Nintendo has Portland agents worried about 30 year old games or something? I've seen bootlegs there before, a multi shootie with Dragon Blaze and others, this is no different. If Jeff couldn't get a response from Nintendo about D2K (which he sold), there's pretty much no chance this would bring worse.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: R. Belmont]
#307328 - 04/15/13 07:06 PM


> > And looks like it WILL be at an arcade (Ground Kontrol) so I guess that means it
> will
> > go into MAME as a clone??....
>
> I kind of enjoy that every bedroom hacker on the planet now tries to get their shit
> on location so that Pokeroms can then argue that it must go into MAME.
>
> Hopefully he's not actually accepting real currency for playing it. I don't think the
> Ground Kontrol guys are that stupid though.

Considering he's the founder and owner of GK... he is?!?



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Smitdogg]
#307329 - 04/15/13 07:09 PM


> Do you think Nintendo has Portland agents worried about 30 year old games or
> something? I've seen bootlegs there before, a multi shootie with Dragon Blaze and
> others, this is no different. If Jeff couldn't get a response from Nintendo about D2K
> (which he sold), there's pretty much no chance this would bring worse.

Maybe they've mellowed more recently, but I seem to recall that Nintendo was one of the most litigious game companies back in the day. I remember several fairly obscure ROM sites getting slapped with C&Ds for carrying Nintendo ROMS. So they did have someone worrying about old games, at least at one time. Also, this particular hack has gotten a *lot* of press on the internets (relatively speaking), which probably makes it a little more likely that Nintendo would hear about it and decide to get involved.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307330 - 04/15/13 07:14 PM


Aweshum!

Great to see someone with the right skills got the colors correct.







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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: DMala]
#307331 - 04/15/13 07:16 PM


The NES one got attention and I haven't heard any backlash from Nintendo about it. I know about their past. He's not running a rom site though, giving away their games. It looks like there's maybe going to be 1 machine in Portland running DK with changed graphics. I don't see what loss Nintendo would be incurring because of it. The only thing it will do is make DK more popular. D2K has been for sale for years. There are sites that sell NES carts with programs that were extracted from the Wii dlc crap. Nintendo hasn't said a word about any of it that I have heard.

Also go look at his website. He made multi/enhancement kits for over a decade. All illegal technically, and all nobody gave a shit enough to sue.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307344 - 04/15/13 11:22 PM


> Well, this hack will actually be in an arcade earning money (or is right now) so I
> think THAT is the requirement for MAME right?

We don't have explicit requirements, to avoid people complaining if we don't follow them.

However if we did have that requirement and it did meet the requirement, then it would probably be considered too new to be added to MAME.

You can't game the system.

Edited by smf (04/15/13 11:26 PM)



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Re: Cool. new [Re: Smitdogg]
#307350 - 04/16/13 12:28 AM


> It seems to be one of them, the other being if something is sold or not. I can't tell
> if he's selling this or just talking about it. At any rate changing Mario's running
> graphics is one of the least interesting things I have ever seen done in a hack and I
> don't understand the public's fascination with it beyond something cool a dad did for
> his daughter. Beyond thinking what a cool dad, I wouldn't even download it.

Ditto... it's fun, but seeing as how it doesn't effect gameplay in any way it's rather lame as a hack.

Oh but the feminists have went nuts on this one. "FINALLY a game that allows for a woman heroine!" they say. And over at Kotaku I pointed out that a metric ton of games have either a female protagonist or female co-stars and I was almost flamed to death. Because basically every female character that isn't 100% the feminist ideal role model "doesn't count".

Seriously, they act like men actually look up to a short, fat Italian stereotype or all the other equally flawed and ridiculous "role models" us guys get in games. It's just a video game, the lead is just an avatar... it could be a block of wood for all I care.

hmm.... Block of Wood Man does sound like it'd be a cool video game.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: ]
#307352 - 04/16/13 12:45 AM


>
> We don't have explicit requirements, to avoid people complaining if we don't follow
> them.
>




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Re: Cool. new [Re: HowardC]
#307388 - 04/16/13 04:58 PM


> Ditto... it's fun, but seeing as how it doesn't effect gameplay in any way it's
> rather lame as a hack.

In fairness, 98% of the hacks out there since the beginning of time don't effect gameplay either, and this one has the advantage of being well done.

> "FINALLY a game that allows for a
> woman heroine!" they say. And over at Kotaku I pointed out that a metric ton of games
> have either a female protagonist or female co-stars and I was almost flamed to death.

Eventually you'll learn: don't read Kotaku, it's awful.

More pertinently, Nintendo's own Super Princess Peach (on the DS) flips the Mario formula on its head in a more interesting way than these graphics hacks. You play as Peach (complete with her unique physics from SMB 2), you have to save Mario, and she can do very limited RPG-like magic spells in addition to the standard platforming stuff.

> hmm.... Block of Wood Man does sound like it'd be a cool video game.

Wouldn't be any stranger than Super Meat Boy.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: R. Belmont]
#307397 - 04/16/13 08:50 PM


> > Ditto... it's fun, but seeing as how it doesn't effect gameplay in any way it's
> > rather lame as a hack.
>
> In fairness, 98% of the hacks out there since the beginning of time don't effect
> gameplay either, and this one has the advantage of being well done.
>
> > "FINALLY a game that allows for a
> > woman heroine!" they say. And over at Kotaku I pointed out that a metric ton of
> games
> > have either a female protagonist or female co-stars and I was almost flamed to
> death.
>
> Eventually you'll learn: don't read Kotaku, it's awful.
>
> More pertinently, Nintendo's own Super Princess Peach (on the DS) flips the Mario
> formula on its head in a more interesting way than these graphics hacks. You play as
> Peach (complete with her unique physics from SMB 2), you have to save Mario, and she
> can do very limited RPG-like magic spells in addition to the standard platforming
> stuff.
>
> > hmm.... Block of Wood Man does sound like it'd be a cool video game.
>
> Wouldn't be any stranger than Super Meat Boy.

I'll agree with that. I thought the animations were pretty impressive considering the limited sprites/space available. I wasn't knocking the effort, I just meant that it doesn't make the game anymore fun.

I agree that Kotaku is awful, but it's the only consolidated video game news source I'm aware of. The other sites only catch about 50% of the VG news.

I can see people not mentioning SPP though... all of her attacks and powers are emotion-based, so she's essentially using p.m.s. as a super power. Which I think is awesome, but some ladies might get upset over.

Expect a prototype for Block of Wood Man sometime in 2014.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: R. Belmont]
#307412 - 04/17/13 01:55 AM


> More pertinently, Nintendo's own Super Princess Peach (on the DS) flips the Mario
> formula on its head in a more interesting way than these graphics hacks. You play as
> Peach (complete with her unique physics from SMB 2), you have to save Mario, and she
> can do very limited RPG-like magic spells in addition to the standard platforming
> stuff.

I liked Super Princess Peach, but it brought out the feminist rage as well: it's sexist because Peach's special powers (the "vibes") all involve getting emotional all of a sudden.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: ]
#307439 - 04/17/13 03:21 PM


> However if we did have that requirement and it did meet the requirement, then it
> would probably be considered too new to be added to MAME.
>
> You can't game the system.

Well played sir, well played....




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Re: Cool. new [Re: Vas Crabb]
#307443 - 04/17/13 04:24 PM


> I liked Super Princess Peach, but it brought out the feminist rage as well: it's
> sexist because Peach's special powers (the "vibes") all involve getting emotional all
> of a sudden.

To make it realistic she should have a witholding sex special move & the not telling you what is wrong because you should already know special move.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: ]
#307452 - 04/17/13 06:50 PM


> > I liked Super Princess Peach, but it brought out the feminist rage as well: it's
> > sexist because Peach's special powers (the "vibes") all involve getting emotional
> all
> > of a sudden.
>
> To make it realistic she should have a witholding sex special move & the not telling
> you what is wrong because you should already know special move.

LOL, perfect!!!

...but don't forget the ability to win an argumentation with logic flaws that just she can't (or don't want to) see, and the most powerful of all powers that a woman is able to summon:... THE CRYING.



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Re: Cool. new [Re: Ramirez]
#307460 - 04/17/13 10:19 PM


> > To make it realistic she should have a witholding sex special move & the not
> telling
> > you what is wrong because you should already know special move.
>
> LOL, perfect!!!
>
> ...but don't forget the ability to win an argumentation with logic flaws that just
> she can't (or don't want to) see, and the most powerful of all powers that a woman is
> able to summon:... THE CRYING.

Have you played the game at all? Being able to cry on demand _is_ one of her special moves. It makes her lighter (won't break some bridges) and run faster (can outrun faster enemies).



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307956 - 04/28/13 03:29 PM


Got to play the Pauline Edition last night at Ground Kontrol. Awesome hack!



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Flyer Fever]
#307961 - 04/28/13 06:42 PM


> Got to play the Pauline Edition last night at Ground Kontrol. Awesome hack!

Ding, ding, ding!! I guess we have this to look forward to in MAME...















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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307962 - 04/28/13 06:48 PM


Did he release the roms? Edit, oh I see, he did end up releasing a patch a few days ago.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#307970 - 04/29/13 03:27 AM


It's pretty cool I just tried it in mame.






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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: joey35car]
#307978 - 04/29/13 06:01 AM


> It's pretty cool I just tried it in mame.

very nice. finally, it can be added to HBMAME.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: abelenki]
#307980 - 04/29/13 06:20 AM


Actually I think it can be added to regular mame. It's basically a clone hack like donkey kong 2: jumpman. It is in a real arcade board.






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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: joey35car]
#307981 - 04/29/13 06:47 AM


I don't know what the final decision on it will be but it doesn't have anything to do with D2K's situation and shouldn't be compared to it. That was made for sale and was sold, not to mention completely changed the game into a new one. This Pauline is a hack one guy made and burned onto one board. I have a Kicker board I'm burning Kung-Fu Johnny into, which fwiw has way more changes than this DK hack, and that doesn't mean it's going in mame because I burned it into a board. The fact that this was never sold and never had sale plans probably counts it out. Every game in mame has been sold or had plans to be (protos).

Pauline is the most overrated hack since Crazy Otto. Player haters unite.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Smitdogg]
#307982 - 04/29/13 06:54 AM


I agree it is overrated but either way it would be nice to see it in either HBmame or mame.






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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: joey35car]
#307983 - 04/29/13 06:56 AM


It'll definitely go in 1 of the 2. I just don't see it going into the regular mame unless people start selling it, and I don't see that happening. But who knows. I'd settle for people stopping talking about it. It's just so...overrated.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Smitdogg]
#307984 - 04/29/13 07:12 AM


OK lets talk about crazy otto. kiddin. Later I'm off to bed.






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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: joey35car]
#307988 - 04/29/13 09:16 AM


> I agree it is overrated but either way it would be nice to see it in either HBmame or
> mame.


It is planned for HBMAME, however I'm not in a position right now to turn patches into roms. So if you want to see it i'll need some assistance. Problem solved.

Edited by Robbbert (04/29/13 09:53 AM)



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Robbbert]
#307989 - 04/29/13 09:39 AM


> It is planned for HBMAME, however I'm not in a position right now to turn patches
> into roms. So if you want to see it i'll need some assistance.

done via IRC.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: abelenki]
#307994 - 04/29/13 11:36 AM



>
> done via IRC.


The game is running, release of HBMAME u4 scheduled for Wednesday.



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: Smitdogg]
#308269 - 05/04/13 08:02 AM


EDIT: Never mind, not getting into this...

Enjoy it for what it is guys, I hope it makes it to MAME eventually!

Edited by XtraSmiley (05/04/13 08:10 AM)



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Re: Arcade Donkey Kong Pauline Edition! new [Re: XtraSmiley]
#308277 - 05/04/13 02:18 PM


It's in HBMame

http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/sho...part=1&vc=1


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