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MAME now includes MESS by default!
#339836 - 05/09/15 09:20 PM


Starting from this git commit by Micko, MAME now officially includes MESS by default!

https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/5df1b60963060ea61de7bed8d2e8f68f284bf1d9


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MAME now represent full build,
for building MESS drivers only use
make SUBTARGET=mess
for building only Arcades drivers only use:
make SUBTARGET=arcade
[Miodrag Milanovic]





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Also congrats go to Haze for the UME project -- most of the file folders saying "ume" were simply renamed to "mame".

For historians:
Haze publicly posited -- and built a working example of -- the idea of "Ultimate MAME" back in November 2011, which then became UME - the Universal Machine Emulator in April 2012, and UME was added to the official MAME source back in May 2012.

Congratulations again to all for this major milestone in MAME!

Edited by The tECHIDNA (05/09/15 09:53 PM)



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339837 - 05/09/15 09:35 PM


My my my my, congratulations for this work!



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339838 - 05/09/15 10:20 PM


Also, all those jokes about the MAME "Borg", all the way back before Overclocked.org's webcomic about it in 1999...

...are now more real* than ever.

Hmm...now that I think about it, just how many systems has the current MAME (with MESS components included) assimilated emulated?

(* = for those that didn't know about UME)



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339839 - 05/09/15 10:31 PM


now all we need is a system tag (or a similar tag name) in the -listxml output so we can know what system is arcade, console, handheld, computer.
UME doesn't have that either

This will be extremely useful for frontends.

Edited by CiroConsentino (05/10/15 09:41 PM)



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339841 - 05/09/15 11:24 PM


W00t! Congrats all

So, UME is now officially MAME? The Magnificent All-Machine Emulator!



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: justaplayer_217]
#339851 - 05/10/15 04:26 AM


Someone explain me thats right new commands?

compiling mame
old : make TARGET=mame
new : make TARGET=mame SUBTARGET=arcade

compiling mess
old : make TARGET=mess
new : make TARGET=mame SUBTARGET=mess

compiling ume:
old : make TARGET=ume
new : make TARGET=mame SUBTARGET=arcade SUBTARGET=mess



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Now this gonna get messy. new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339852 - 05/10/15 04:45 AM


Neo Geo arcade + Neo Geo home into one by default. jk.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: silkove]
#339853 - 05/10/15 05:11 AM


> compiling ume:
> old : make TARGET=ume
> new : make TARGET=mame SUBTARGET=arcade SUBTARGET=mess

old : make TARGET=ume
new : make (TARGET=mame is implied).



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: silkove]
#339854 - 05/10/15 05:44 AM


I use this for my compile for MAME.

make -j5 SUBTARGET=arcade PTR64=1 TOOLS=1 STRIP_SYMBOLS=1

comes out to be 89.7 MB.






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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339856 - 05/10/15 09:55 AM


I feel sorry for those who can't stand an incomplete romset.

Hint: You'll need at least a dedicated 2TB hard drive.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: justaplayer_217]
#339857 - 05/10/15 10:52 AM


> Magnificent All-Machine Emulator!

nice one.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: BIOS-D]
#339859 - 05/10/15 03:00 PM


> I feel sorry for those who can't stand an incomplete romset.
>
> Hint: You'll need at least a dedicated 2TB hard drive.

The MESS BIOS sets are less than 100 MB, IIRC. You'll have needed 2 TB already for MAME, adding MESS isn't what's gonna push you over



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339860 - 05/10/15 03:05 PM


> Also, all those jokes about the MAME "Borg", all the way back before
> Overclocked.org's webcomic about it in 1999...
>
> ...are now more real* than ever.

With the MESS drivers added, there are at least two ways to run early versions of MAME in MAME - stock MAME works in the PC drivers, and MacMAME works in the color Mac drivers. Pretty slowly in both cases right now, of course



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: R. Belmont]
#339861 - 05/10/15 03:28 PM


> > Also, all those jokes about the MAME "Borg", all the way back before
> > Overclocked.org's webcomic about it in 1999...
> >
> > ...are now more real* than ever.
>
> With the MESS drivers added, there are at least two ways to run early versions of
> MAME in MAME - stock MAME works in the PC drivers, and MacMAME works in the color Mac
> drivers. Pretty slowly in both cases right now, of course

http://www.overclocked.org/OCspare.htm

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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: justaplayer_217]
#339862 - 05/10/15 03:47 PM


> W00t! Congrats all
>
> So, UME is now officially MAME? The Magnificent All-Machine Emulator!

For another, try "Multiple ArcHAIC Machine Emulator". Though I suppose it means whatever you want it to mean.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339863 - 05/10/15 04:10 PM


So now that there are subtargets, is there any chance that fruit machines and pinball machines will get their own subtargets?



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: R. Belmont]
#339864 - 05/10/15 04:28 PM


Entire rom set is about 430 Gb so there is still a lot to 2Gb unless you are counting Software list.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Comboman]
#339865 - 05/10/15 04:48 PM Attachment: mameuifx_arcades_only.jpg 61 KB (0 downloads)


> So now that there are subtargets, is there any chance that fruit machines and pinball
> machines will get their own subtargets?

I completely second this sentence.

I'm ready to go...

[ATTACHED IMAGE]

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Edited by Mamesick (05/10/15 05:03 PM)



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Yeah, it will definitely be MESSy new [Re: Dullaron]
#339869 - 05/10/15 07:00 PM


EmuAllSystems. EAS: it's in the MAME.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: haynor666]
#339871 - 05/10/15 07:17 PM


> Entire rom set is about 430 Gb so there is still a lot to 2Gb unless you are counting
> Software list.

But that does not include CHDs, right?



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Master O]
#339872 - 05/10/15 08:26 PM


MAME 0.161 space occupation
ROMs = 51,1 GB (Split sets)
CHDs = 352,0 GB (Merged sets)

MESS 0.161 space occupation
BIOS = 493,0 MB (Split sets)
Software ROMs = 51,6 GB (Split sets)
Software CHDs = 1,30 TB (Merged sets)



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339873 - 05/10/15 08:42 PM


We got a (actually 2) perfect word(s) for it: Eierlegende Wollmilchsau
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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Shoegazr]
#339874 - 05/10/15 08:43 PM


> > W00t! Congrats all
> >
> > So, UME is now officially MAME? The Magnificent All-Machine Emulator!
>
> For another, try "Multiple ArcHAIC Machine Emulator". Though I suppose it means
> whatever you want it to mean.

"MAME And MESS, Emulators"

Gotta have some recursiveness in there :P



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Monsters Ate My Emulator? -nt- new [Re: Ville Linde]
#339877 - 05/10/15 09:42 PM





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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Kitsune Sniper]
#339878 - 05/10/15 10:24 PM


> > > Also, all those jokes about the MAME "Borg", all the way back before
> > > Overclocked.org's webcomic about it in 1999...
> > >
> > > ...are now more real* than ever.
> >
> > With the MESS drivers added, there are at least two ways to run early versions of
> > MAME in MAME - stock MAME works in the PC drivers, and MacMAME works in the color
> Mac
> > drivers. Pretty slowly in both cases right now, of course
>
> http://www.overclocked.org/OCspare.htm
>
> You guys keep making this strip real. It frightens me.

You know that the known universe is but an holographic projection running on MUME (muli universe mandala emulator).



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: f205v]
#339880 - 05/10/15 11:58 PM


> MAME 0.161 space occupation
> ROMs = 51,1 GB (Split sets)
> CHDs = 352,0 GB (Merged sets)
>
> MESS 0.161 space occupation
> BIOS = 493,0 MB (Split sets)
> Software ROMs = 51,6 GB (Split sets)
> Software CHDs = 1,30 TB (Merged sets)

Just wait until the entire redump.org database is added, that will cause the PokéROM community to run screaming! Bonus points go to every non-working/skeleton driver with more than 1000 game dumps.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Ville Linde]
#339886 - 05/11/15 04:56 AM


> > > W00t! Congrats all
> > >
> > > So, UME is now officially MAME? The Magnificent All-Machine Emulator!
> >
> > For another, try "Multiple ArcHAIC Machine Emulator". Though I suppose it means
> > whatever you want it to mean.
>
> "MAME And MESS, Emulators"
>
> Gotta have some recursiveness in there :P

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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Heihachi_73]
#339888 - 05/11/15 06:30 AM


> Just wait until the entire redump.org database is added, that will cause the PokéROM
> community to run screaming! Bonus points go to every non-working/skeleton driver with
> more than 1000 game dumps.

Hey if that means I can find games without having to resort to clicking on sketchy Chinese links or joining ratio torrent sites, I welcome the change.




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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Ville Linde]
#339890 - 05/11/15 12:40 PM



> "MAME And MESS, Emulators"

Perfect !



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Cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria *nt* new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Ville Linde]
#339898 - 05/11/15 05:14 PM


> "MAME And MESS, Emulators"
>
> Gotta have some recursiveness in there :P

Perfect.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: R. Belmont]
#339907 - 05/11/15 07:43 PM


In addition to a combined binary we get HLSL shader improvements Thanks to Jezze

https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/26572a83c31c6a6d83cd3dff2b23e1274dee13bc

I've been enjoying these over the last few days because Jezze and u-man were kind enough to share their work and settings.

Here's what I'm using right at the moment


Quote:


hlsl_enable 1
hlslpath hlsl
hlsl_prescale_x 8
hlsl_prescale_y 8
hlsl_preset -1
hlsl_write
hlsl_snap_width 3200
hlsl_snap_height 1800
shadow_mask_alpha 0.5
shadow_mask_texture shadow-mask.png
shadow_mask_x_count 6
shadow_mask_y_count 4
shadow_mask_usize 0.1875
shadow_mask_vsize 0.25
shadow_mask_uoffset 0.0
shadow_mask_voffset 0.0
curvature 0.0
round_corner 0.0
reflection 0.25
vignetting 0.25
scanline_alpha 0.75
scanline_size 1.0
scanline_height 1.0
scanline_bright_scale 2.0
scanline_bright_offset 0.0
scanline_jitter 0.0
defocus 1.0,0.0
converge_x 0.0,0.0,0.0
converge_y 0.0,0.0,0.0
radial_converge_x 0.0,0.0,0.0
radial_converge_y 0.0,0.0,0.0
red_ratio 1.05,0.00,0.10
grn_ratio -0.10,1.00,0.25
blu_ratio -0.25,0.25,1.25
saturation 1.25
offset -0.30,-0.20,-0.05
scale 1.15,1.05,0.90
power 0.90,0.90,1.15
floor 0.05,0.05,0.05
phosphor_life 0.5,0.5,0.5

#
# NTSC POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
yiq_enable 0
yiq_cc 3.59754545
yiq_a 0.5
yiq_b 0.5
yiq_o 1.570796325
yiq_p 1.0
yiq_n 1.0
yiq_y 6.0
yiq_i 1.2
yiq_q 0.6
yiq_scan_time 52.6
yiq_phase_count 2

#
# VECTOR POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
vector_length_scale 0.8
vector_length_ratio 40.0

#
# BLOOM POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
vector_bloom_scale 0.3
raster_bloom_scale 0.220
bloom_lvl0_weight 1.000000
bloom_lvl1_weight 0.320000
bloom_lvl2_weight 0.16
bloom_lvl3_weight 0.08
bloom_lvl4_weight 0.04
bloom_lvl5_weight 0.02
bloom_lvl6_weight 0.02
bloom_lvl7_weight 0.01
bloom_lvl8_weight 0.01
bloom_lvl9_weight 0
bloom_lvl10_weight 0






Again all credits go to Jezze, u-man, and anyone else that made this work possible

example screens

http://i.imgur.com/R28hbAK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zidEBM6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BwIoHRL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QYMwWpF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6y0C03N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xlKYRTr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rgile5v.jpg

curvature and round_corner values applied with sliders
http://i.imgur.com/YOtY1lA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/H3UQdmS.jpg

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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: B2K24]
#339915 - 05/11/15 10:27 PM


hopefully you can remove that lens flare at the top right.... it's kinda annoying imo.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: kevenz]
#339917 - 05/11/15 10:58 PM


> hopefully you can remove that lens flare at the top right.... it's kinda annoying
> imo.

Yeah, I'll have to play with the sliders and figure out what's causing that. I have no clue right at the moment.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: B2K24]
#339919 - 05/11/15 11:42 PM


Not at the computer right now but try dialing down reflection and vignette.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339920 - 05/12/15 12:47 AM


Finally!
It's an awesome news



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#339939 - 05/12/15 05:36 AM


Congratulations!!!




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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Ville Linde]
#339940 - 05/12/15 05:49 AM


>"MAME And MESS, Emulators"

I like the idea...



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Comboman]
#339956 - 05/12/15 04:41 PM


> So now that there are subtargets, is there any chance that fruit machines and pinball
> machines will get their own subtargets?

And gambling ones, please (ex-MAGE build).



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: John IV]
#339959 - 05/12/15 06:29 PM


> Not at the computer right now but try dialing down reflection and vignette.

That was exactly it. Thanks!



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: F1ReB4LL]
#340007 - 05/13/15 08:31 PM


> > So now that there are subtargets, is there any chance that fruit machines and
> pinball
> > machines will get their own subtargets?
>
> And gambling ones, please (ex-MAGE build).

I really hope so.

While I don't mind them being in the emulator itself, they tend to clutter up the search results whenever I start MAME and type in a game name. If there was a way for folks to compile the emulator themselves so those games aren't included, without having to edit the driver list, it'd be awesome.

Hopefully this will be possible in a future version, once any kinks caused by the merge are ironed out.



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Haze's post on the news... new [Re: The tECHIDNA]
#340012 - 05/14/15 12:59 AM


..."The Gulf of Bothnia":

http://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2015/05/11/the-gulf-of-bothnia/



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: B2K24]
#340018 - 05/14/15 05:08 AM


Set the screen reflection to o and it will be gone.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: joey35car]
#340019 - 05/14/15 06:13 AM


M.A.M.E. now officially stands for...

Multiple Arcade MESS Emulator

At least that's what word on the street says. Actually, it's only what I've heard from these two -->

We can't just let this hang in the wind. We need an official stance on what the abbreviation now stands for. So either take a poll by letting the community decide or the MAME Devs should come to an official agreement of what the abbreviation stands for now. Anything less would be uncivilized https://youtu.be/RCwzdzA-01Q?t=27s

Edited by Big Karnak (05/14/15 06:36 AM)



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Big Karnak]
#340021 - 05/14/15 07:47 AM


The abbreviation doesn't necessarily need to change at all.

From what I understand, everything that used to be MESS was referred to as machines.

So the abbreviation still fits as it is

Multiple Arcade (insert an and or & if needed)
Machines Emulator



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: CiroConsentino]
#340025 - 05/14/15 09:39 AM


Indeed....could be useful...even if devs say a machine is a machine is a machine...



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: B2K24]
#340030 - 05/14/15 01:49 PM


> The abbreviation doesn't necessarily need to change at all.
>
> From what I understand, everything that used to be MESS was referred to as machines.
>
> So the abbreviation still fits as it is
>
> Multiple Arcade (insert an and or & if needed)
> Machines Emulator

REAS (Reirom's EmuAllSystems) has a competitor... obviously not. :P



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: BIOS-D]
#340031 - 05/14/15 02:38 PM


> > The abbreviation doesn't necessarily need to change at all.
> >
> > From what I understand, everything that used to be MESS was referred to as
> machines.
> >
> > So the abbreviation still fits as it is
> >
> > Multiple Arcade (insert an and or & if needed)
> > Machines Emulator
>
> REAS (Reirom's EmuAllSystems) has a competitor... obviously not. :P

They should have done this on April 1, officially changed the name to that and wrote a serious post about why it makes sense. And then got Haze in on it and got him to write some extremely long-winded serious sounding blog about why it makes sense and the things Reirom meant to the community that most people don't realize. Now THAT would have been funny.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Smitdogg]
#340034 - 05/14/15 06:39 PM


Why not call it A.M.U.S.E

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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: Big Karnak]
#340036 - 05/14/15 08:01 PM


> We can't just let this hang in the wind. We need an official stance on what the
> abbreviation now stands for. So either take a poll by letting the community decide or
> the MAME Devs should come to an official agreement of what the abbreviation stands
> for now. Anything less would be uncivilized https://youtu.be/RCwzdzA-01Q?t=27s

I didn't think Haze was being especially subtle with his SEGA analogy, but for those who didn't get it: MAME is MAME. It doesn't officially mean anything now.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: MrV2K]
#340037 - 05/14/15 08:02 PM


> Why not call it A.M.U.S.E

"AMUSE" as an emulator name is taken, it's M1's Japanese father.



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Re: MAME now includes MESS by default! new [Re: MrV2K]
#340039 - 05/14/15 10:01 PM


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