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"Amazing" Gaming PC
#364373 - 03/18/17 07:33 PM


http://www.ebay.com/gds/how-to-build-an-...n2=ta.pRnV0dXJl

So my first question is, is this really "amazing"? The next question is, CAN any PC fit that description on a budget? Given that even a brand new Cadillac model is obsolete before you even buy it?



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Re: "Amazing" Gaming PC new [Re: Nightvoice]
#364374 - 03/18/17 08:11 PM


The important piece of information that article is missing is that the PC isn't "Amazing" until you overclock that $75 CPU over 4GHz. I have a similar setup (with a better Z87 motherboard) in my MAME cabinet that overclocked to 4.5GHz. You can see MAME benchmarks here...
http://www.mameui.info/Bench.htm

The "Amazing" part is that you can build a system so powerful with so little money. If money was unlimited, you could definitely build a better PC.

Also, the info is a little out of date. I'd definitely go with a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB video card for $150 instead of what they suggest...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MF7EQJZ/

Most modern PC games lean HEAVILY on the video card, so you can get away with cheaper CPUs if they're overclocked. Some newer games are beginning to really take advantage of quad core CPUs (and higher core counts) so in those cases, having a dual core Pentium G3258 is going to hurt you.



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Re: "Amazing" Gaming PC new [Re: krick]
#364375 - 03/18/17 08:34 PM


> The important piece of information that article is missing is that the PC isn't
> "Amazing" until you overclock that $75 CPU over 4GHz. I have a similar setup (with a
> better Z87 motherboard) in my MAME cabinet that overclocked to 4.5GHz. You can see
> MAME benchmarks here...
> http://www.mameui.info/Bench.htm
>
> The "Amazing" part is that you can build a system so powerful with so little money.
> If money was unlimited, you could definitely build a better PC.
>
> Also, the info is a little out of date. I'd definitely go with a GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
> 4GB video card for $150 instead of what they suggest...
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MF7EQJZ/
>
> Most modern PC games lean HEAVILY on the video card, so you can get away with cheaper
> CPUs if they're overclocked. Some newer games are beginning to really take advantage
> of quad core CPUs (and higher core counts) so in those cases, having a dual core
> Pentium G3258 is going to hurt you.

I've noticed a lot of recent games really seem to need a quad core tho. I recently had to repair an old system so threw a 1050 Ti in there. While games can render most scenes at 60fps on max detail with no problems they also frequently pause and stall when you move about while the game does actual CPU dependent tasks like AI and resource management. This doesn't happen on a quad core machine of similar age. Not a RAM problem either fwiw.

So just be aware, dual core is only going to get you so far with PC gaming, no matter how well it overclocks.



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Re: "Amazing" Gaming PC new [Re: Haze]
#364376 - 03/18/17 09:06 PM


> > Some newer games are beginning to really take advantage
> > of quad core CPUs (and higher core counts) so in those cases, having a dual core
> > Pentium G3258 is going to hurt you.
>
> I've noticed a lot of recent games really seem to need a quad core tho. I recently
> had to repair an old system so threw a 1050 Ti in there. While games can render most
> scenes at 60fps on max detail with no problems they also frequently pause and stall
> when you move about while the game does actual CPU dependent tasks like AI and
> resource management. This doesn't happen on a quad core machine of similar age. Not a
> RAM problem either fwiw.
>
> So just be aware, dual core is only going to get you so far with PC gaming, no matter
> how well it overclocks.

Yep. That's exactly what I said at the end of my post (quoted above).



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Re: "Amazing" Gaming PC new [Re: krick]
#364377 - 03/18/17 09:44 PM


> > > Some newer games are beginning to really take advantage
> > > of quad core CPUs (and higher core counts) so in those cases, having a dual core
> > > Pentium G3258 is going to hurt you.
> >
> > I've noticed a lot of recent games really seem to need a quad core tho. I recently
> > had to repair an old system so threw a 1050 Ti in there. While games can render
> most
> > scenes at 60fps on max detail with no problems they also frequently pause and stall
> > when you move about while the game does actual CPU dependent tasks like AI and
> > resource management. This doesn't happen on a quad core machine of similar age. Not
> a
> > RAM problem either fwiw.
> >
> > So just be aware, dual core is only going to get you so far with PC gaming, no
> matter
> > how well it overclocks.
>
> Yep. That's exactly what I said at the end of my post (quoted above).

Yes sorry, I was trying to reaffirm your point based on personal experience and explain how it actually affects the games. I didn't word that quite how I wanted (it also shows why average performance benchmarks are kinda meaningless as they'd score high but still basically be unplayable due to the stalling, having 0 fps for 5 seconds is more significant than having 400fps for 60 seconds if you actually want to play something, but the average fps might indicate a playable game)

This applies to quite a lot of the bigger titles these days, not just 'some' This is likely due to the architecture of the modern consoles for which things are primarily targeted.


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