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DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold
#365937 - 05/11/17 08:16 PM Attachment: Revenger.JPG 363 KB (0 downloads)


Andy Welburn dumped Revenger 84

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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Smitdogg]
#365939 - 05/11/17 08:38 PM


Huh, looks how a most wanted game



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: fortuna_chan]
#365941 - 05/11/17 09:08 PM


> Huh, looks how a most wanted game

yeah, those EPOS games don't show up very often, and quite often when they do the roms have already gone bad, or they end up with somebody who can't dump the PROM.

I guess this will replace the bad dump of 'Revenger' that's in MAME (unless it's found that the bad dump is of a different revision, in which case it will remain to document there is still a version missing)



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Smitdogg]
#365945 - 05/11/17 11:09 PM





>Andy Welburn dumped Revenger 84


Awright. Kudos to Andy with this and the (bootleg?) SI clone.



--
new clone added: Space Wipeout [Andy Welburn]
--



I forgot that this was added a long time ago. I see what Haze mentioned about the old entry. This is good that Andy was able to find a pcb.



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http://unmamed.mameworld.info/non_other80.html#Revenger84

Revenger '84 (Magic Electronics [ever finished/released?], 84)
"Defender" clone? Flyer exists with no real information about the game.


src/mame/drivers/epos.cpp

GAME( 1984, revenger, 0, dealer, dealer, epos_state, dealer, ROT270, "Epos Corporation", "Revenger", MACHINE_NOT_WORKING | MACHINE_NO_COCKTAIL | MACHINE_SUPPORTS_SAVE )

/*

Revenger EPOS 1984

EPOS TRISTAR 9000



8910 Z80A 4116 4116
4116 4116
4116 4116
6116 4116 4116
6116 4116 4116
U4 4116 4116 74S189
U3 4116 4116 74S189
U2 4116 4116
U1 8255
22.1184MHz
*/

ROM_START( revenger )




ROM_REGION( 0x0020, "proms", 0 )
ROM_LOAD( "82s123.u66", 0x0000, 0x0020, NO_DUMP ) /* missing */
ROM_END
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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Haze]
#365947 - 05/11/17 11:28 PM



>> Huh, looks how a most wanted game

>yeah, those EPOS games don't show up very often, and quite often when they do the roms have
>already gone bad, or they end up with somebody who can't dump the PROM.

Lucked out with Andy finding a pcb since he is good at getting the roms and proms preserved.


>I guess this will replace the bad dump of 'Revenger' that's in MAME (unless it's found
>that the bad dump is of a different revision, in which case it will remain to document
>there is still a version missing)

Yep. Someone will need to find some way of comparing data if even possible to see if there could be any difference within the dumped roms. I am going to guess not possible and what Andy is able to get dumped will be the replacement rom set. Fortunately the roms in pcb photo have labels so it can be identified to a specific set in case multiple versions did exist.

I forgot about this being added years earlier. If another set gets added later by someone, I hope the brief pcb info is still retained in the src/mame/drivers/epos.cpp file for reference.


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src/mame/drivers/epos.cpp

GAME( 1984, revenger, 0, dealer, dealer, epos_state, dealer, ROT270, "Epos Corporation", "Revenger", MACHINE_NOT_WORKING | MACHINE_NO_COCKTAIL | MACHINE_SUPPORTS_SAVE )

/*

Revenger EPOS 1984

EPOS TRISTAR 9000



8910 Z80A 4116 4116
4116 4116
4116 4116
6116 4116 4116
6116 4116 4116
U4 4116 4116 74S189
U3 4116 4116 74S189
U2 4116 4116
U1 8255
22.1184MHz
*/

ROM_START( revenger )


ROM_REGION( 0x0020, "proms", 0 )
ROM_LOAD( "82s123.u66", 0x0000, 0x0020, NO_DUMP ) /* missing */
ROM_END

--


Sometime later, I hope an entry for Taito Space Cyclone will show up on your web page
https://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/ Good to know Space Cyclone is working even if it still has more work to be done later.



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: gregf]
#365949 - 05/11/17 11:32 PM


> new clone added: Space Wipeout [Andy Welburn]
>
> I forgot that this was added a long time ago. I see what Haze mentioned about the
> old entry. All roms bad and prom missing (assuming the pcb supports one). This is
> good that Andy was able to find a pcb and a chance the game can be preserved
> eventually.

We actually found the new ROM set archived on an old website on archive.org by following some old links. It seems to be booting up and displaying the title screen at least. I'm not sure how thoroughly the dump has been checked. To correct KLOV: It doesn't appear to be an official Taito game, merely a mod/bootleg by someone who ran an arcade route operation.

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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Stiletto]
#365951 - 05/11/17 11:41 PM




>> new clone added: Space Wipeout [Andy Welburn]


>We actually found the new ROM set archived on an old website on archive.org by following
>some old links. It seems to be booting up and displaying the title screen at least. I'm not
>sure how thoroughly the dump has been checked. To correct KLOV: It doesn't appear to be an
>official Taito game, merely a mod/bootleg by someone who ran an arcade route operation.

Hah. That is funny. First or second time this has happened iirc.

This info needs to be added next to the rom set info on the 8080bw.cpp file imo just in case future users wonder where the heck this romset came from because in the future I can't imagine folks will know where this romset came from or how it came about.



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: gregf]
#365952 - 05/11/17 11:46 PM


> >> new clone added: Space Wipeout [Andy Welburn]
>
>
> > We actually found the new ROM set archived on an old website on archive.org by
> following
> > some old links. It seems to be booting up and displaying the title screen at least.
> I'm not
> > sure how thoroughly the dump has been checked. To correct KLOV: It doesn't appear to
> be an
> > official Taito game, merely a mod/bootleg by someone who ran an arcade route
> operation.
>
> Hah. That is funny. First or second time this has happened iirc.
>
> This info needs to be added next to the rom set info on the 8080bw.cpp file imo just
> in case future users wonder where the heck this romset came from because in the
> future I can't imagine folks will know where this romset came from or how it came
> about.

Well it's conjecture at this point but I'm basing it off of:
http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=13739
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=137410

and the fact that the game name never appeared in Taito's 1978 Japanese game list this guy compiled (amongst many other games and companies). (Er, I think)
https://archive.org/details/ArcadeTVGameListKokunai-KaigaiHen1971-2005

I could maybe still be wrong, but my gut feeling is saying this is all a big misunderstanding on the English-speaking side of things due to an old bootleg/title screen hack.

What I got so far is here: https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Space_Wipeout

- Stiletto



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Stiletto]
#365953 - 05/11/17 11:58 PM



>>This info needs to be added next to the rom set info on the 8080bw.cpp file imo just
>>in case future users wonder where the heck this romset came from because in the
>>future I can't imagine folks will know where this romset came from or how it came
>>about.


--
Well it's conjecture at this point but I'm basing it off of:
http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=13739
https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=137410

>and the fact that the game name never appeared in Taito's 1978 Japanese game list this guy compiled (amongst many other games and companies). (Er, I think)
https://archive.org/details/ArcadeTVGameListKokunai-KaigaiHen1971-2005

I could maybe still be wrong, but my gut feeling is saying this is all a big misunderstanding on the English-speaking side of things due to an old bootleg/title screen hack.

What I got so far is here: https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Space_Wipeout
--

Okay. Good to know you have it sorted in some manner for now.



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: Smitdogg]
#365962 - 05/12/17 05:37 AM


> Andy Welburn dumped Revenger 84

This is by far the single cleanest, most well preserved old game I have EVER seen posted in this forum.

What. A. Find.



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Re: DU: Revenger is a dish best served cold new [Re: gregf]
#366002 - 05/13/17 01:21 AM Attachment: 0000.png 2 KB (0 downloads)


> >>This info needs to be added next to the rom set info on the 8080bw.cpp file imo
> just
> >>in case future users wonder where the heck this romset came from because in the
> >>future I can't imagine folks will know where this romset came from or how it came
> >>about.
>
>
> --
> Well it's conjecture at this point but I'm basing it off of:
> http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=13739
> https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=137410
>
> > and the fact that the game name never appeared in Taito's 1978 Japanese game list
> this guy compiled (amongst many other games and companies). (Er, I think)
> https://archive.org/details/ArcadeTVGameListKokunai-KaigaiHen1971-2005
>
> I could maybe still be wrong, but my gut feeling is saying this is all a big
> misunderstanding on the English-speaking side of things due to an old bootleg/title
> screen hack.
>
> What I got so far is here:
> https://mamedev.emulab.it/undumped/index.php?title=Space_Wipeout
> --
>
> Okay. Good to know you have it sorted in some manner for now.

Preliminary screenshot for those paying attention to this:

More or less matches the screenshots on KLOV Forums.

- Stiletto

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