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DU: Summoning the Grand Master
#366743 - 06/13/17 03:14 AM Attachment: twc.jpg 169 KB (0 downloads)


Purity sent us an alt version of Tehkan World Cup

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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Smitdogg]
#366755 - 06/13/17 12:00 PM


> Purity sent us an alt version of Tehkan World Cup

hopefully it's actually an interesting version, only other time we've seen clones of this it's been a simple date hack, or the 'joystick' version where the roms are actually identical because the joystick support is done with some 3rd party logic board that simulates analog inputs just like MAME does.



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Haze]
#366761 - 06/13/17 04:57 PM


It seems an earlier, less polished version: two things I noticed are it doesn't have tehkan superimpressed during demo play and it doesn't show the cup after the high score roll.
ROMs for the main and sub cpu seem quite different, too:

4.bin twc-4.bin 46.334839%
3.bin twc-6.bin 8.215332%
1.bin twc-1.bin 4.968262%
2.bin twc-2.bin 1.641846%



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Osso1]
#366772 - 06/14/17 02:38 AM


> It seems an earlier, less polished version: two things I noticed are it doesn't have
> tehkan superimpressed during demo play and it doesn't show the cup after the high
> score roll.
> ROMs for the main and sub cpu seem quite different, too:
>
> 4.bin twc-4.bin 46.334839%
> 3.bin twc-6.bin 8.215332%
> 1.bin twc-1.bin 4.968262%
> 2.bin twc-2.bin 1.641846%

that's definitely interesting, maybe a prototype if there are that many visible changes



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Smitdogg]
#366822 - 06/15/17 08:44 AM


> Purity sent us an alt version of Tehkan World Cup

schematics shows a
Xtal 18.432MHz
OSC 3MHz ?
Resonator 384kHz ?



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Haze]
#366834 - 06/16/17 01:56 AM


> that's definitely interesting, maybe a prototype if there are that many visible
> changes

All 3Sets of MAME are bootleg



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: lain]
#366836 - 06/16/17 03:34 AM


> > that's definitely interesting, maybe a prototype if there are that many visible
> > changes
>
> All 3Sets of MAME are bootleg

that's a bold and seemingly unsubstantiated claim..

game has been dumped plenty of times from various PCBs, seems unlikely they were all bootlegs.



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Haze]
#366839 - 06/16/17 06:07 AM


> > > that's definitely interesting, maybe a prototype if there are that many visible
> > > changes
> >
> > All 3Sets of MAME are bootleg
>
> that's a bold and seemingly unsubstantiated claim..
>
> game has been dumped plenty of times from various PCBs, seems unlikely they were all
> bootlegs.

http://www.citylan.it/wiki/index.php/Tehkan_World_Cup_(set_1)
http://www.citylan.it/wiki/index.php/Tehkan_World_Cup_(set_2,_bootleg%3F)
http://www.citylan.it/wiki/index.php/Tehkan_World_Cup_(bootleg)



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: lain]
#366842 - 06/16/17 07:17 AM


This was added to mame in the 1990s. The fact that f205v dumped bootlegs that had 100% data matches doesn't mean what you think it does.



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Smitdogg]
#366846 - 06/16/17 12:14 PM


> This was added to mame in the 1990s. The fact that f205v dumped bootlegs that had
> 100% data matches doesn't mean what you think it does.

right

set 1 has been dumped from a board with official Tehkan markings

the bootlegs of this game are pretty much 1:1 clones of the original PCB, so not too surprising some of them use unmodified code.

f205v just provided verification of the rom data, what was on his bootleg matched the original set.



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Re: DU: Summoning the Grand Master new [Re: Haze]
#366847 - 06/16/17 02:07 PM


> right
>
> set 1 has been dumped from a board with official Tehkan markings
>
> the bootlegs of this game are pretty much 1:1 clones of the original PCB, so not too
> surprising some of them use unmodified code.
>
> f205v just provided verification of the rom data, what was on his bootleg matched the
> original set.

Thank you for understanding.


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