> The market for using second hand real 720 controllers out of busted cabs is
> absolutely as niche as it gets. If you looked up niche market it the dictionary, this
> might as well be in as an example. And in fact, it would be an extremely small niche
> market. Calling it niche would be an ego boost for this minuscule group of
> -You really do not think in realistic terms. When
> A MFG like Atari made Videos... they didnt make 500.
> They made THOUSANDS. As in like 50,000... 200,000.
> The games were all over the states, multiples in every
> city, and even all over the world.
I'm on the arcade sections of eBay and other auction sites almost every day a.k.a. arcade junk yards. These 720 controllers being sold is quite rare and the amount of people buying them to put in MAME cabs is quite rare. If you want some advice, wait for this new one to start being produced, ask Derrick to forgive you for being an asshole, and buy one and send it to him and ask him to add support for it with a switch. That or keep acting like a little brat.
> Where do you think all those machines ended up?
> In hands of the public. People who liked the game, have
> the game. 720 was not the kind of cabinet that was easily
> convertible... and so its more than likely that there are
> more complete 720s out there than many other well known
There are not 100,000 of these controllers out there waiting to be picked up by MAME people.
> And anyone who has one, is going to want to replace their
> worn out controller with a brand spanking new one. Especially considering that the
> controllers have some
> very wear prone parts inside of them.
Yes if they can find one for sale, to fix up their original cab, they would buy one. But that has nothing to do with MAME.
> You're wrong about "people who are actually interested in 720". It was a childhood
> favorite of mine yet I'm not seeking out this option. I just want it to play on
> typical PC hardware. I wouldn't complain if there was a 720orig switch added to
> mame.ini that let you hook up a real controller, but I wouldn't put on whatever this
> public display of yourself is that you are doing either.
> - Its obvious that you were not a big fan then. Because
> there are big fans out there, that Do invest in real
It's obvious that your comments are annoying.
> - And if you say you wouldnt complain about not being
> able to control a certain game... then either you really
> dont have passion for a game that uses unique controlls..
> or you are fearful a dev will Quit the Skene. Or Guru
> will threaten to charge you $10,000 in interest on money
Wow, was that the best you could do? Maybe think that one over again and re-edit?
> - 720 is just One of the MANY games that dont control
> correct in Mame... for which options are very poor for
> those of us who are actually passionate about playing the
You flatter yourself throwing around that P word.
> Again wrong with the Starwars comment. Lots of people want to play it and play it in
> MAME with a mouse. There's a niche market for these controllers with Ramcontrols or
> whatever they call themselves seek to fill.
> - To this date, there is Huge demand for Starwars
> controllers. Yes, people Do play it with a mouse... but
> many of those same people are not content, and want to
> buy the real controller... and in fact ARE buying it. The
> price is a somewhat steep $300, not including the needed
> interface... and yet, its selling out faster than the guy
> can get a string of them made.
I already said earlier that there is a niche market for these Star Wars controllers which that company is filling, yet you still comment about it.
> Do you realize how many Starwars cabinets there were
> produced in the USA ALONE?! Its probably one of the most
> popular games ever made! People Love the custom controller,
> and nothing else really feels and controls as good as it,
> and thus, eventually, even if 1/10 the people who liked it
> as a kid bought it... added to the Cabinets that need them,
> and Ramcontrols will probably be selling them for Ages.
> BTW - What do you think happens when a person cant get
> parts for his cabinet to make the game play correctly?
> Ding Ding Ding... it gets Parted out. Or trashed
> completely. New parts = longer preservation of actual
So is this supposed to somehow tie in an argument that adding support for these niche controllers extends the life of original games? You're stretching on that one, huh? Mr. Fantastic. You just watched Fantastic 4.
> Also, many MGFs made custom pc parts, such as custom
> spinners, which means people are not hacking real tron
> panels to get the spinner. And if they did originally do
> that, they can now sell that panel back into the hands of
> a cabinet owner.
> I'm not under any delusions. I like how you think I'm the one out of line here yet
> you're the one pissing people off, including the people who could help your nichie
> Really? Cause the people who seem to be doing the
> money collection, and the work on preservation, dont seem
> to care one bit. Which to anyone with passion for these
> games, is Infuriating. Including collectors, as well as
> again... the designers of the originals.
You're just trolling here and you know it.
> Quite simply, the people who Do have passion, Do the work.
You mean work on your home cabinet? Selfish work all for you? You do more work for MAME than I do?
> Im not going to walk on eggshells just cause someone who
> lacks passion, might quit. Im certainly not the only
> one person in this world who actually has a passion for
> the old games. And certainly not the only person who
> is ticked off that you cant play any of mames driving
> games with a real shifter... let alone all the other hacks
> that screw with controls, or limit the real output/inputs
> of the machines.
> And BTW - Jeff Anderson, a collector and person who runs
> VideoTopia, sold that Namco shooting gun to the local
> museum. People like him actually have passion for games.
> But people like him, are not always very happy with people
> from the Mame collective... for reasons stated above, as
> well as poor attitudes dished out.
Maybe you guys should hang out.
> Devs seem to have this idea that people who like the old
> games are a tiny group.
This is something you have made up.
> Its hilarious. Arcade games have
> been out there for decades, to all generations of people
> all over the world. In my small city, we had like 5
> large busy arcades. Ive played just about every classic
> ever made, and even some of the lesser known machines.
> In this city alone, I know like 15 collectors.. many of
> which own ENTIRE BASEMENTS FILLED WITH ARCADE / PINBALL
> MACHINES! In fact, when I worked at the arcade in the mall,
> I also Sold machines to the public.
> And Pinball? An even smaller more expensive hobby... which
> is supposed to be "Dead" and I know many pinball collects
> here, including myself, that have more than one machine.
> These machines just didnt all vanish, nor did the
> Passionate players throughout all the years. And if Mame
> made more of an Effort towards such passionate people,
> you would see a 100x rise in donation levels.
> The saying goes... You scratch my back, and Ill scratch
> But pissing all over people by telling them what they
> cant do... giving them a hard time when they ask for
> something simple...and poor/no efforts made to rectify
> poor areas of preservation... along with threats and
> bad attitudes from people like "Guru"... and Donation
> levels are going to stay pathetic.
There doesn't seem to be much I can do to help Guru's attitude or social skills but you're one to talk.