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Re: Unwanted attention
08/24/11 05:55 AM


> If the company wishes to protect a console version, they can contact us just as Cave
> > and Arika have in the past. (In Arika's case, they made more copies of the game
> than
> > Xbox 360s have ever sold in Japan, with predictable 2600 ET-like results, but
> MAMEdev
> > did remove the games as we were asked).
>
> But then nobody decided to ask them first, they just did it, and only did you remove
> it, after the fact. Right?
>
> I do not see that as a positive.
>
> Sorry no kudos for you.

You might like to rethink things.

Plenty of people have asked the "major" companies. Not a single one as far as I can tell has ever said "Yes". There is either no answer (which implies "No") or else there is a definite "No".

Here's one example: In the very early days of arcade emulation, Dave Spicer (Sparcade) and I exchanged many, many dozens (perhaps 100's) of emails. In 1995/96, I offered a lot of money (think 6 figures !) to back him to take his arcade emulator and make it a commercial product with 100% legal / licensed games. The BIG problem - and the reason the project never went commercial - was the permissions. No-one would grant any. No-one even wanted to discuss money / licensing fees. No-one would talk about it. The "right person" was never there to talk to. No-one would answer letters. No-one would return phone calls. They just wanted to sit on their IP. Their focus was the future. Not old or ancient games from their past.

If people asked before emulating, then there would be ZERO emulation. Many of the games supported by projects like MAME are preserved ONLY because these projects saved them, and often they were saved just in time. Many games would already be lost to oblivion if things were left to the IP holders. In many cases, they don't even have a backup of their source code.

The fact that there are now some freeware games for MAME doesn't mean anything. These were only released long after MAME had become a success (emulating dozens of games, with wide distribution).

If MAME had been a project that was still trying to emulate it's first game with full permission of the IP owner, and had approached any of the very nice people who have now released their games as freeware, then would they have said "YES" ?

I'm all for you doing research about this for your thesis. However, you need to keep an open mind. It sounds like you have already decided on what your answers are, long before you've done the research and probably long before you have even thought what the real questions should be.

Where are your interviews with emulator devs, IP holders, etc ? Where are your surveys of these people ? Where's your literature review ? Where have you tested your claims ? e.g. write to a selection of IP holders to ask them about licensing their games for your own hypothetical emulation project, and see how far you get. Then, and only then, will you know what the real situation is.

If you are coming to conclusions, you'd better have solid evidence to backup all of your findings, or your thesis wont be worth anything.


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* Dumping question Gatinho 08/18/11 09:23 AM
. * Re: Dumping question TheGuru  08/21/11 03:16 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Gatinho  08/21/11 05:02 AM
. * Re: Dumping question italieAdministrator  08/21/11 05:30 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Mr. DoAdministrator  08/22/11 07:37 AM
. * Re: Dumping question TrevEB  08/19/11 03:07 AM
. * Re: Dumping question italieAdministrator  08/19/11 03:31 AM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/18/11 04:32 PM
. * Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/21/11 11:00 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:07 PM
. * So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/28/11 04:27 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/29/11 04:29 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/30/11 04:27 AM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... gregf  08/30/11 06:05 AM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/30/11 02:24 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... gregf  08/30/11 11:37 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/30/11 11:42 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/30/11 12:01 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... etabeta  08/30/11 01:12 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... italieAdministrator  08/29/11 05:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 02:00 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Moose  08/24/11 05:55 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 10:58 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Naoki  08/24/11 11:04 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 02:20 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 11:15 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention StevieWunderful  08/26/11 04:12 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 11:33 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/24/11 05:16 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Quantum Leaper  08/27/11 08:58 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention StevieWunderful  08/26/11 05:34 AM
. * Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 05:56 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition B2K24  08/26/11 08:11 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition CrapBoardSoftware  08/28/11 03:58 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/29/11 05:02 PM
. * It's All Gone Pete "Mobile" Tong !!! zambr  08/28/11 11:26 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 09:14 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition B2K24  08/26/11 05:39 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 10:19 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Jdurgi  08/27/11 07:02 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:27 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:45 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 10:26 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/27/11 03:47 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition italieAdministrator  08/29/11 05:10 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition StevieWunderful  08/27/11 10:16 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/28/11 12:12 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition StevieWunderful  08/28/11 09:44 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/28/11 05:40 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Sune  08/27/11 11:25 AM
. * Re: Reality Check Tag Tournament Heihachi_73  08/28/11 06:11 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:31 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition etabeta  08/26/11 09:47 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 11:41 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Reznor007  08/27/11 12:48 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Cable  08/26/11 12:29 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 04:28 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:48 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 05:53 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:57 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:20 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition BIOS-D  08/27/11 01:01 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 10:31 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:55 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition B2K24  08/27/11 04:37 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/27/11 01:07 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Reznor007  08/27/11 05:01 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/29/11 04:35 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/29/11 10:54 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/27/11 03:01 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Gold Edition Anonymous  08/27/11 09:05 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Gold Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/27/11 09:37 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Mr. DoAdministrator  08/26/11 11:33 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 10:28 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:42 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 10:55 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 11:02 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 11:11 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 11:20 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Jdurgi  08/27/11 11:49 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/29/11 03:30 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition BIOS-D  08/28/11 04:27 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/29/11 03:46 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 10:34 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 05:29 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  08/24/11 04:15 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 10:22 PM
. * Translation mike20599  08/23/11 03:43 PM
. * Re: Translation Anonymous  08/23/11 10:36 PM
. * Let's check some of your troll history.... BIOS-D  08/24/11 07:29 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/24/11 11:25 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Gatinho  08/25/11 07:23 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Cable  08/25/11 08:22 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Olivier Galibert  08/25/11 08:09 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... etabeta  08/25/11 09:30 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Olivier Galibert  08/25/11 08:11 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 09:47 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... BIOS-D  08/25/11 12:51 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/25/11 09:42 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 09:49 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/25/11 10:09 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 10:39 PM
. * Re: Translation B2K24  08/24/11 12:01 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 10:50 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  08/22/11 10:38 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention channelmaniac  09/02/11 01:26 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  09/02/11 01:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention channelmaniac  09/02/11 05:19 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention etabeta  08/23/11 10:04 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention italieAdministrator  08/22/11 12:03 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 12:57 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Gatinho  08/23/11 02:10 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Moose  08/24/11 12:20 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:37 AM
. * Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/25/11 08:08 AM
. * Re: Reality Check Anonymous  08/25/11 09:56 PM
. * Re: Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/26/11 03:46 AM
. * Re: Reality Check R. Belmont  08/25/11 10:53 PM
. * Re: Reality Check R. Belmont  08/25/11 05:46 PM
. * Re: Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/26/11 04:01 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:09 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 09:51 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 10:51 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/23/11 12:00 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/23/11 06:15 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention etabeta  08/22/11 09:28 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Heihachi_73  08/23/11 01:58 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/23/11 10:42 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Reznor007  08/23/11 11:08 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:43 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention italieAdministrator  08/22/11 04:29 AM
. * Re:I'm probably now getting unwanted attention.. Anonymous  08/23/11 12:18 AM
. * Two words italieAdministrator  08/23/11 12:52 AM
. * Re: Two words Anonymous  08/23/11 01:15 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Reznor007  08/22/11 02:40 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:51 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Cable  08/24/11 11:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 11:31 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/25/11 05:48 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/25/11 09:47 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention TheGuru  08/22/11 09:03 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Gatinho  08/18/11 05:10 PM
. * Re: Dumping question TrevEB  08/18/11 07:07 PM
. * He said yes Gatinho  08/18/11 11:32 PM
. * Re: He said yes SmitdoggAdministrator  08/22/11 01:13 AM
. * Re: He said yes Moose  08/21/11 03:32 AM
. * Re: He said yes StevieWunderful  08/19/11 05:32 AM
. * Re: Dumping question drewcifer  08/18/11 07:19 PM
. * Re: Dumping question italieAdministrator  08/19/11 03:18 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Anonymous  08/20/11 08:39 AM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:10 PM
. * Re: Dumping question Olivier Galibert  08/22/11 08:19 PM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/22/11 09:09 PM
. * Re: Dumping question Lord Nightmare  08/23/11 03:01 AM

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