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Re: Unwanted attention
08/24/11 10:58 PM



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> > If the company wishes to protect a console version, they can contact us just as
> Cave
> > > and Arika have in the past. (In Arika's case, they made more copies of the game
> > than
> > > Xbox 360s have ever sold in Japan, with predictable 2600 ET-like results, but
> > MAMEdev
> > > did remove the games as we were asked).
> >
> > But then nobody decided to ask them first, they just did it, and only did you
> remove
> > it, after the fact. Right?
> >
> > I do not see that as a positive.
> >
> > Sorry no kudos for you.
>
> You might like to rethink things.
>
> Plenty of people have asked the "major" companies. Not a single one as far as I can
> tell has ever said "Yes". There is either no answer (which implies "No") or else
> there is a definite "No".
>
> Here's one example: In the very early days of arcade emulation, Dave Spicer
> (Sparcade) and I exchanged many, many dozens (perhaps 100's) of emails. In 1995/96, I
> offered a lot of money (think 6 figures !) to back him to take his arcade emulator
> and make it a commercial product with 100% legal / licensed games. The BIG problem -
> and the reason the project never went commercial - was the permissions. No-one would
> grant any. No-one even wanted to discuss money / licensing fees. No-one would talk
> about it. The "right person" was never there to talk to. No-one would answer letters.
> No-one would return phone calls. They just wanted to sit on their IP. Their focus was
> the future. Not old or ancient games from their past.
>
> If people asked before emulating, then there would be ZERO emulation. Many of the
> games supported by projects like MAME are preserved ONLY because these projects saved
> them, and often they were saved just in time. Many games would already be lost to
> oblivion if things were left to the IP holders. In many cases, they don't even have a
> backup of their source code.
>
> The fact that there are now some freeware games for MAME doesn't mean anything. These
> were only released long after MAME had become a success (emulating dozens of games,
> with wide distribution).
>
> If MAME had been a project that was still trying to emulate it's first game with full
> permission of the IP owner, and had approached any of the very nice people who have
> now released their games as freeware, then would they have said "YES" ?
>
> I'm all for you doing research about this for your thesis. However, you need to keep
> an open mind. It sounds like you have already decided on what your answers are, long
> before you've done the research and probably long before you have even thought what
> the real questions should be.
>
> Where are your interviews with emulator devs, IP holders, etc ? Where are your
> surveys of these people ? Where's your literature review ? Where have you tested your
> claims ? e.g. write to a selection of IP holders to ask them about licensing their
> games for your own hypothetical emulation project, and see how far you get. Then, and
> only then, will you know what the real situation is.
>
> If you are coming to conclusions, you'd better have solid evidence to backup all of
> your findings, or your thesis wont be worth anything.




I totally agree with your point, but even I do "agree" I cannot conduct research with personal opinions. I have to extend both views of the argument and tell the story accordingly. I personally do not care either way, but I must ask the questions just like a professional reporter or researcher does.







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* Dumping question GatinhoModerator 08/18/11 09:23 AM
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. * Re: Dumping question Mr. DoAdministrator  08/22/11 07:37 AM
. * Re: Dumping question TrevEB  08/19/11 03:07 AM
. * Re: Dumping question italieAdministrator  08/19/11 03:31 AM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/18/11 04:32 PM
. * Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/21/11 11:00 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:07 PM
. * So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/28/11 04:27 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/29/11 04:29 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/30/11 04:27 AM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... gregf  08/30/11 06:05 AM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/30/11 02:24 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... gregf  08/30/11 11:37 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... R. Belmont  08/30/11 11:42 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... Kano11  08/30/11 12:01 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... etabeta  08/30/11 01:12 PM
. * Re: So these Cave and Arika games... italieAdministrator  08/29/11 05:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 02:00 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Moose  08/24/11 05:55 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 10:58 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Naoki  08/24/11 11:04 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 02:20 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 11:15 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention StevieWunderful  08/26/11 04:12 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 11:33 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/24/11 05:16 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Quantum Leaper  08/27/11 08:58 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention StevieWunderful  08/26/11 05:34 AM
. * Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 05:56 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition B2K24  08/26/11 08:11 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition CrapBoardSoftware  08/28/11 03:58 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/29/11 05:02 PM
. * It's All Gone Pete "Mobile" Tong !!! zambr  08/28/11 11:26 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 09:14 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition B2K24  08/26/11 05:39 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 10:19 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Jdurgi  08/27/11 07:02 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:27 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:45 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 10:26 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/27/11 03:47 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition italieAdministrator  08/29/11 05:10 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition StevieWunderful  08/27/11 10:16 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/28/11 12:12 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition StevieWunderful  08/28/11 09:44 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Kitsune Sniper  08/28/11 05:40 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 4 xiaou2 Edition Sune  08/27/11 11:25 AM
. * Re: Reality Check Tag Tournament Heihachi_73  08/28/11 06:11 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:31 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition etabeta  08/26/11 09:47 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition StevieWunderful  08/26/11 11:41 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Reznor007  08/27/11 12:48 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition Cable  08/26/11 12:29 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 04:28 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:48 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 05:53 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 2 RB Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 05:57 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:20 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition BIOS-D  08/27/11 01:01 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 10:31 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:55 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition B2K24  08/27/11 04:37 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/27/11 01:07 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Reznor007  08/27/11 05:01 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/29/11 04:35 PM
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. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/27/11 03:01 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Gold Edition Anonymous  08/27/11 09:05 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Gold Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/27/11 09:37 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Mr. DoAdministrator  08/26/11 11:33 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 10:28 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 10:42 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 10:55 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 11:02 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition SmitdoggAdministrator  08/26/11 11:11 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/26/11 11:20 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Jdurgi  08/27/11 11:49 PM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/29/11 03:30 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition BIOS-D  08/28/11 04:27 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition Anonymous  08/29/11 03:46 AM
. * Re: Reality Check part 3 Bizimonki Edition R. Belmont  08/26/11 10:34 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention SmitdoggAdministrator  08/24/11 05:29 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  08/24/11 04:15 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 10:22 PM
. * Translation mike20599  08/23/11 03:43 PM
. * Re: Translation Anonymous  08/23/11 10:36 PM
. * Let's check some of your troll history.... BIOS-D  08/24/11 07:29 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/24/11 11:25 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Gatinho  08/25/11 07:23 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Cable  08/25/11 08:22 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Olivier Galibert  08/25/11 08:09 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... etabeta  08/25/11 09:30 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Olivier Galibert  08/25/11 08:11 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 09:47 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... BIOS-D  08/25/11 12:51 AM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/25/11 09:42 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 09:49 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... Anonymous  08/25/11 10:09 PM
. * Re: Let's check some of your troll history.... R. Belmont  08/25/11 10:39 PM
. * Re: Translation B2K24  08/24/11 12:01 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 10:50 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  08/22/11 10:38 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention channelmaniac  09/02/11 01:26 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention redk9258Moderator  09/02/11 01:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention channelmaniac  09/02/11 05:19 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention etabeta  08/23/11 10:04 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention italieAdministrator  08/22/11 12:03 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 12:57 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Gatinho  08/23/11 02:10 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Moose  08/24/11 12:20 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:37 AM
. * Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/25/11 08:08 AM
. * Re: Reality Check Anonymous  08/25/11 09:56 PM
. * Re: Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/26/11 03:46 AM
. * Re: Reality Check R. Belmont  08/25/11 10:53 PM
. * Re: Reality Check R. Belmont  08/25/11 05:46 PM
. * Re: Reality Check StevieWunderful  08/26/11 04:01 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:09 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/22/11 09:51 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/22/11 10:51 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/23/11 12:00 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/23/11 06:15 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention etabeta  08/22/11 09:28 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Heihachi_73  08/23/11 01:58 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/23/11 10:42 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Reznor007  08/23/11 11:08 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:43 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention italieAdministrator  08/22/11 04:29 AM
. * Re:I'm probably now getting unwanted attention.. Anonymous  08/23/11 12:18 AM
. * Two words italieAdministrator  08/23/11 12:52 AM
. * Re: Two words Anonymous  08/23/11 01:15 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Reznor007  08/22/11 02:40 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 01:51 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Cable  08/24/11 11:46 AM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/24/11 11:31 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention R. Belmont  08/25/11 05:48 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention Anonymous  08/25/11 09:47 PM
. * Re: Unwanted attention TheGuru  08/22/11 09:03 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Gatinho  08/18/11 05:10 PM
. * Re: Dumping question TrevEB  08/18/11 07:07 PM
. * He said yes Gatinho  08/18/11 11:32 PM
. * Re: He said yes SmitdoggAdministrator  08/22/11 01:13 AM
. * Re: He said yes Moose  08/21/11 03:32 AM
. * Re: He said yes StevieWunderful  08/19/11 05:32 AM
. * Re: Dumping question drewcifer  08/18/11 07:19 PM
. * Re: Dumping question italieAdministrator  08/19/11 03:18 AM
. * Re: Dumping question Anonymous  08/20/11 08:39 AM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/22/11 05:10 PM
. * Re: Dumping question Olivier Galibert  08/22/11 08:19 PM
. * Re: Dumping question R. Belmont  08/22/11 09:09 PM
. * Re: Dumping question Lord Nightmare  08/23/11 03:01 AM

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