MAMEWorld Forums - The Loony Bin - Re: Why I don't care for American politicians...

> If you want me to submit to who yourself consider "Holy" and "Sanctified" and anyone
> else, even myself, is seen as unholy or evil is the pinnacle of arrogance itself.

Why is it arrogant?

I can only imagine that you think it is "arrogant" because person (A) is saying that person (B) is sinful because (A) believes themself to be better than person (B). That's not true (or it shouldn't be).

If you go to the Doctor, you get a diagnosis that you have a life threatening condition. The Doctor tells you that you need to change your lifestyle and habits so you can avoid the inevitable horrible death you'll experience. Nobody (in their right mind) would say the Doctor is being arrogant. But if they did say that... Why would they? Why is it arrogant?

> My ethic is simply this: Do what you want as you want. As long as what you do doesn't
> harm any nonconsenting people and the property they own then it's all good.
>

Well... Lets say you have a child. They want to play with the neighbor's "puppy". But it's not a puppy. It's a 45 lb. pit-bull. If you Live and let Live, does that also mean others are free to die (e.g. destroy themselves) if they so choose?

The point is; some people may do what they want, but in the process they could be hurting themselves.

I'd say it's a pretty high form of hatred that someone could have for another person by letting them continue on the path to their destruction. The least one could do for them is to warn them. But in the end it is their decision.

eta: Think of it this way. By telling someone to do their own thing -that is as good as telling them they can (as in: have permission to) go to hell.

> Yes, you can be a miser or give away all your possessions. No harm there. But when it
> comes down to bigotry and prejudice that's where I have to call a foul. There are
> people who don't believe what you believe who do lead safe, ethical and happy lives.
> You don't hear much from them because they see no need in evangelizing to give their
> ways of living any cred. In fact it's really no one elses' business but their own.
>
> In any case Jesus got a bum deal. He didn't choose to be sacrificed. He was wrongly
> crucified for crimes he didn't commit. Why not go after the sinners themselves rather
> than the wrong guy? To me that little fable is nothing more than a tale of injustice
> itself. I see no honor in stating that someone else was punished for my own crimes,
> whatever "crimes" those were I have no idea. The idea that everyone "sins" is a false
> assumption since it leads to the justification that just because everyone does it and
> the wrong person got punished for those "sins" makes it all okay in the end.
>
> I think of "sanctified" people, such as Ken Lay of Enron, who felt that despite his
> crimes that he was without sin in the eyes of "His Lord". And yet he could have chose
> not to defraud millions of people! Go figure! People can choose to "sin" or not! What
> a radical concept! Only here it's okay to "sin" because some else was sacrificed!
> That is despicable! It's as if it's a free pass to be an unethical and irresponsible
> person just because, "At least I KNOW I'm going to Heaven because He died for my
> sins."
>

I'm afraid you're mistaken here. Jesus laying down his life didn't give us a free ticket to Sin. It just means that no matter how hard we try by our own means - we can never be worthy to enter the kingdom of heaven, regardless of how much of an upstanding citizen, or how "saintly" we are. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. We'll sin anyway, no matter what. But if we make the effort, by repenting or turning away from our sins, and asking God to forgive us, ....and I could go further by adding that we'd have to be baptized in water, - which symbolizes the washing away of our sins, and by doing this "ritual" we're showing our faith that God will do what he said he would, and afterwards should come the infilling of the Holy Spirit. With the Holy Spirit within us we will be prompted or quickened to do the will of the Father. Some would say that "If I convert to Christianity then I won't get to have any fun." And by "fun" they mean they won't get to enjoy doing "sinful" things. But what they should realize is that it's not about 'not being able to sin' as it is losing the will to sin. My father, a Navy man, drank, smoke, cussed... Until the day he received the Holy Ghost. All of that stopped, he had no desire to do any of those things. ....Back to what I was getting at; It's being covered by the blood of the lamb.. It's not a literal "blood", it's like a spiritual blood. A 'spirit' in the sense of, like, the spirit of giving, or the spirit of joy... What the blood represents is a spirit of giving yourself, dedicating your life to God, and doing His will.

I guess ^this covers your next paragraph.

> It makes me wonder who really drove those nails in, gave Him that crown of thorns,
> and loved to be awash in all of that "sanctified" blood in the first place. Can you
> picture someone bathing in someone elses' blood? Y'ever watch that scene in "Blue
> Steel" where Ron Silver is anointing himself in the blood of his victim? How
> revolting! And that's before considering the risk of disease through blood-borne
> pathogens! Icky-poo!
>
> So I'm not against people who choose to believe in anyone or anything outside of
> themselves. I'm against naughty people who do horrendous things in the names of their
> beliefs, politics and other dogma. So be careful out there. Most people are decent
> people. Just beware of the select few who take advantage of that situation for their
> own nefarious purposes.
>
> --Bekki

The Pharisees were very religious.

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Edited by T0M (02/27/12 06:02 AM)