> "> If you want me to submit to who yourself consider "Holy" and "Sanctified" and > anyone > > else, even myself, is seen as unholy or evil is the pinnacle of arrogance itself. > > Why is it arrogant? " > > Simple: Because if anyone wants to deem someone [else] as "unworthy" only because they don't > worship and covet exactly they way they do then that is just wrong. That's why I'm > not with any form of fundamentalism. And yes I have seen fundies as atheists and > believers calling each other various permutations of the "mentally ill" trope. It's > the fundamentalism that's off-putting when I can see it as just the same old crap. >
The idea of being "unworthy" does carry a lot of weight. One could see it as a remark of condemnation -as something bad, or they could see it as a remark of warning, or notification of their standing. What they do with this information is what's important.
An example: If you go to the store to buy something, the cashier rings up the total, and says it's such & such amount. You go to pull the money from your wallet (or purse?), you see that you don't have enough to pay for the item. Or you hand what you have to the cashier, and they count it. They then inform you that you are (in another way of saying) "unworthy" to purchase this item. You could feel condemned by that information. Or you could use it to correct where you have this shortcoming (e.g. A fool despises correction.)
> > Well... Lets say you have a child. They want to play with the neighbor's "puppy". But > > it's not a puppy. It's a 45 lb. pit-bull. If you Live and let Live, does that also > > mean others are free to die (e.g. destroy themselves) if they so choose? > > I won't have kids. But, since you brought it up... > > No one forces anyone to have kids. If you have kids then they're your responsibility. > That includes not just teaching them right from wrong but also keeping them from > harm. It's not my responsibility to watch your kids all the way over here. It does > not take a village. The buck stops with you. > > Speaking of yourself, it is in poor taste for you wanting me to have kids and wishing > for them to be mauled due to parental negligence. Such drama! > > And "civilized" people wonder why I won't have kids. >
Nice way to divert the subject. What I was alluding to with the if you had a kid playing with a dangerous dog -scenario was that if you -as a GOOD parent- cared for and loved your child - you wouldn't let them do something to harm themself. If it were someone elses kid... As you said "it's not my responsibility". I seem to recall (I think it was you) that said how you dislike apathy. Is that correct? To let someone elses child go ahead and get mauled by a dog (again, only using this as an example -not to be taken literally -just so you know, I know it must be difficult) since it's not your kid, not your responsibility. Eh? Sounds very apathetic to me.
How that fits into God's relationship to Man is that we are his creation. He loves all of us. He gives us a way to escape hell (like a way to stop playing with a dangerous animal) by turning away from our sins. When we (Christians) are to do our father's will - that is to warn others of the dangers of sin and the hell that is to come if they don't repent of their sins.
> The point is; some people may do what they want, but in the process they could be > hurting themselves. > > That's life: The world is the classroom and the teacher is pain. And it's really none > of my business what they do to themselves as long as it doesn't directly affect me. >
Again with the apathy.
We're all connected in one way or another. Sin always has a consequence. What might not affect you will always affect someone else, and somewhere down the line it might affect someone you care about, which should affect you. Someone always gets hurt due to someone else's bad choices in life. That's just the way it is.