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Re: Combined build
05/09/12 10:19 AM


> my impression is that you tend to presume too much (or so I interpret the fact that
> you see politics whenever someone has an opinion which differ from yours) and I still

I see politics and I see them both sides.

> have to see you offering a good reason to have a single exe officially released.

Not my job. From my personal (user) view is like explaining why B is after A in the alphabet.
That said I can think of various reasons (good or bad - seems the classification is too SUBJECTIVE), I will not repeat any in a thread already 100+ posts long.

> the hard part is to find people interested in working on MAME/MESS, and usually it's
> not the name of the project to attract them or push them away
> and mind that I'm not completely against the release of a combined exe (for the
> record, it was me who pointed Haze to Micko's approach, which is considerably easier
> than previous build instructions that Haze was suggesting to users, so that he had a
> simpler way to manage his beloved UME), but in my opinion we should first fix the
> other concerns about mametesters and bandwidth, and then we should start preparing a
> very extensive documentation to explain users how systems requiring software (i.e.
> most consoles and computers) should be used.
> given the number of people still not using multiple carts in megatech because they
> need to separately mount the carts, instead of just launching the single games, I
> fear that a lot of users could be discouraged at first with consoles and computers:
> systems with additional software are slightly more complicated to launch than basic
> MAME usage (the suggested usage mode is to add proper media switch and then the
> software name, because computer emulation is almost worthless if you can't run
> programs you wrote as a kid, when you still have them, and software lists are a
> privileged launching mode but not the only one and it should not be presented as
> such).

I was about to say that your points are more or less valid, when I realized that you seem to use interchangeably users and devs. If devs cannot see behind a curtain I don't think they are good devs anyway (I mean the source is there, it is already multi-modular, I know there are devs that just touch VERY specific modules and have no idea of how others work, so what would change in this? Nothing). As for users, I cannot see a single user "scared" away by a combined exe - plain and simply.

> as a result, an abrupt inclusion of computers and consoles in MAME, with no
> explanations on what to do with them, might lead people to think that consoles don't
> work because they don't give you a list of games to launch (depending on the frontend
> you use), or that computers don't work because you mount a tape and it does not
> autostart...

So you are saying that it is a matter of good... documentation? Your four lines were enough actually - you did explain the difference already. I think we can clean up your comment and explain everybody with lower IQ than mean Homo Sapiens that computers emulated in MAME(SS) work a bit differently than consoles emulated. Not much, just a bit. Because you know... most consoles boot directly to a game while computers mostly don't. Something that I think a 10 year old already realizes...

> p.s. the above is purely my personal pov, other devs probably have very different
> opinions

Sure. Same here and I am not even a (mame) dev.


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* Combined build Robbbert 05/01/12 01:11 AM
. * Re: Combined build Mbit  05/08/12 10:47 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 11:57 PM
. * Re: Combined build Bryan Ischo  05/09/12 12:25 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 02:47 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/09/12 12:56 AM
. * Re: Combined build Bryan Ischo  05/09/12 04:05 AM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/09/12 09:09 AM
. * Re: Combined build jumpmaniac81  05/07/12 11:24 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 11:37 PM
. * Re: Combined build jumpmaniac81  05/09/12 04:30 AM
. * Re: Combined build CTOJAH  05/07/12 05:07 PM
. * Re: Combined build mesk  05/07/12 07:20 PM
. * Re: Combined build CTOJAH  05/07/12 07:25 PM
. * Re: Combined build mesk  05/08/12 10:11 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 05:29 PM
. * Re: Combined build CTOJAH  05/07/12 05:49 PM
. * Re: Combined build Naoki  05/08/12 09:45 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 11:28 PM
. * Re: Combined build Ramirez  05/08/12 11:49 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 12:11 AM
. * Re: Combined build Naoki  05/09/12 11:21 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 02:21 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/09/12 03:01 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 07:27 PM
. * Re: Combined build DrArcade  05/07/12 06:10 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 05:55 PM
. * Re: Combined build CTOJAH  05/07/12 06:00 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 06:09 PM
. * Re: Combined build greybeard  05/07/12 06:11 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 12:42 PM
. * Re: Combined build Robbbert  05/07/12 02:17 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 01:31 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 01:49 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 02:20 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 02:53 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 02:39 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 03:12 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 04:32 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 04:35 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 04:42 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 04:58 PM
. * Re: Combined build mesk  05/07/12 05:06 PM
. * Re: Combined build greybeard  05/07/12 07:31 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 07:37 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 07:46 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 08:00 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 10:12 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 10:26 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/08/12 08:09 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 10:15 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 09:25 AM
. * Re: Combined build mogli  05/08/12 10:19 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 08:09 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 10:19 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/08/12 03:25 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 10:09 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 03:16 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 04:01 PM
. * Re: Combined build Sune  05/04/12 07:31 AM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/04/12 05:03 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 03:26 PM
. * Re: Combined build mesk  05/07/12 03:52 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 05:08 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 06:07 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 07:47 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 10:06 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 11:19 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 12:07 AM
. * Re: Combined build B2K24  05/08/12 07:28 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 12:55 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 10:07 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 11:16 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 11:34 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 01:59 PM
. * Re: Combined build BIOS-D  05/08/12 04:12 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 05:26 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/08/12 07:00 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/09/12 09:47 AM
. * Re: Combined build Mbit  05/09/12 12:14 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/09/12 10:19 AM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/09/12 12:15 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/09/12 02:49 PM
. * Re: Combined build BIOS-D  05/08/12 07:00 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/08/12 09:06 PM
. * Re: Combined build redk9258Moderator  05/09/12 12:18 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 02:59 AM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 07:13 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 05:12 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 05:37 PM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/09/12 09:51 AM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 01:09 PM
. * Re: Combined build Robbbert  05/09/12 01:26 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 01:47 PM
. * Re: Combined build Robbbert  05/09/12 03:06 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/09/12 04:19 PM
. * Re: Combined build TafoidAdministrator  05/09/12 07:08 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/09/12 02:54 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 05:46 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 07:39 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/07/12 07:44 PM
. * Re: Combined build CptGuapo  05/07/12 04:41 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 04:42 PM
. * Re: Combined build LazyCat  05/07/12 05:23 PM
. * Re: Ninja Assassin MAME devs Firehawke  05/07/12 05:26 PM
. * Re: Combined build Sune  05/07/12 04:27 AM
. * Re: Combined build etabeta  05/07/12 11:28 AM
. * Never mind Sune  05/08/12 11:41 PM
. * Re: Never mind etabeta  05/09/12 09:15 AM
. * Re: Combined build Shoegazr  05/05/12 12:32 AM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 04:23 PM
. * Re: Combined build Ramirez  05/07/12 09:15 PM
. * Re: Combined build R. Belmont  05/07/12 10:09 PM
. * Re: Combined build Ramirez  05/07/12 10:45 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 04:33 PM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 12:42 AM
. * Re: Combined build Sune  05/07/12 04:21 AM
. * Re: Combined build NLS  05/07/12 11:14 AM
. * Re: Combined build AeroCityMayor  05/05/12 12:14 AM
. * Re: Combined build (yes, and thanks). Shoegazr  05/04/12 06:38 AM
. * Re: Combined build CptGuapo  05/04/12 05:22 AM
. * Re: Combined build OldSchoolGamer  05/04/12 04:49 AM
. * Re: Combined build Naoki  05/02/12 12:15 AM
. * Re: Combined build Cable  05/01/12 11:53 PM
. * Re: Combined build Firehawke  05/01/12 07:20 PM
. * Re: Combined build kevenz  05/01/12 03:27 AM
. * Re: Combined build B2K24  05/01/12 05:45 AM
. * Re: Combined build SmitdoggAdministrator  05/01/12 08:02 PM
. * Re: Combined build redk9258Moderator  05/01/12 01:36 AM
. * Re: Combined build Robbbert  05/01/12 01:48 AM
. * Re: Combined build CiroConsentino  05/01/12 01:26 AM
. * Re: Combined build Robbbert  05/01/12 01:45 AM
. * Re: Combined build joey35car  05/01/12 01:35 AM

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