> > The point is if merging is any good. > > Which is actually my major point about UME. I've seen the discussion at Haze's blog > where you and he browbeat etabeta into a pulp for suggesting there is any redeeming > value to any of the MESS drivers. So I don't understand why you wish to force more > people to use drivers you personally feel are sub-standard. (They aren't all, by the > way, but I want people to have that choice and not just be forced into a > one-UME-fits-all world). > > Furthermore, Haze says the merger is to get the MESS people to work on MAME. So you > want the creators of drivers you personally would never touch to work on a project > where users generally agree the drivers are good?
Both MAME and MESS have some great and some not so good drivers. That doesn't shadow the project(s), I said that before. The whole monster (I say this in a good way) that MAME-MESS project is, is something to display in a technology museum. Of course some drivers will suck more or less. It is an active project ain't it? The not-so-good drivers can only get better. Being there "rubbed in the face" of the users (and devs), might actually help towards that end.
Also I don't believe bringing MESS inside MAME will... make MAME worse. Also I don't tag MESS devs as bad (on the contrary) and MAME devs as good. Some are working in both (sub)projects anyway. To me as a user, emulating a coin-op has less "intricacies" than emulating a computer where thousands pieces of software by thousands of programmers over the years the system was active (and up to today for some systems), exploit every tiny hidden bit of its hardware. This makes for example C64 driver worse than VICE x64. Still this doesn't render C64 driver bad - just that it has way to go.
If UME exists or not, if MESS becomes what UME is now or not, if MESS keeps its separate (?) way or not, doesn't affect if I (or others) will still use WinVICE or WinUAE. I don't see the issue.