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Re: The end? :(
10/16/13 06:36 PM


> This is where I have to admit I'm starting to side with you, I didn't think there
> were code Mame/Mess needed in this day from external and licence incompatible
> projects. If there are indeed still key components that Mame/Mess can't use due to
> licence incompability then I can certainly see reason for this re-licence proposal.

A lot of this is in the PC area; Bochs, DOSBox, VirtualBox, and QEMU are all GPL and all have components we could use to get the later PC-based arcade games up and running in MAME. But of course it applies to many other systems too.

> The GPL doesn't prevent commercial distribution, but yes a free version would be hard
> to compete with unless it drowns in a sea of commercial offerings with 'tweaks' to
> lure users in.

Yeah, there'll always be clones and imitators (have you searched for "Angry Birds" lately in an app store? Yikes) but the original usually wins.

> What would prevent you from doing this given the proposed licence changes? From what
> I can see with these changes anyone could release both free and commercial versions
> of Mame if it was licenced under BSD and/or LGPL which seems to be the proposed
> re-licence choices.

That's correct. We wouldn't release any commercial version, of course, and so any commercial version would have to be a lot better and to stay ahead of our improvements. I like to think we're good enough that that wouldn't be a contest

> I'd like to state that I sure wouldn't mind seeing officially supported fully open
> versions of Mame/Mess on places like Steam, Google Play, iOS (do they allow emulators
> at all?).

iOS does if there's a fixed list of ROMs that you have the rights to. Apple briefly allowed ahh's version which only ran Gridlee until they found out it also enabled adding all the other ROMs. So that version would probably be more limited (and any commercial version someone else made would have the same limitations). Google Play is much easier (they openly encourage emulators). I'm not sure how things stand with Steam.

> So it will continue to be distributed under the current Mame licence, but also be
> dual licenced as either BSD or LGPL if they are to be included in the project as per
> the re-licence plans?

If the re-license happens that will take effect. If it doesn't, or until it does, the current license applies.







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* The end? :( joey35car 10/15/13 11:58 PM
. * Haze go away or leave the rest of the team alone. Plan simple. Dullaron  11/01/13 01:25 PM
. * I call dibs on any code that says "Winners Dont Use Drugs" <nt> italieAdministrator  11/01/13 03:26 AM
. * Re: I call dibs on any code that says "Winners Dont Use Drugs" Vas Crabb  11/01/13 10:28 AM
. * Re: I call dibs on any code that says "Winners Dont Use Drugs" italieAdministrator  11/02/13 08:18 AM
. * Re: I call dibs on any code that says "Winners Dont Use Drugs" Vas Crabb  11/02/13 11:10 AM
. * Re: I call dibs on any code that says "Winners Dont Use Drugs" italieAdministrator  11/02/13 02:02 PM
. * Re: The end? :( SailorSat  10/22/13 12:44 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Chimp  10/17/13 02:54 PM
. * Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion absence  10/17/13 01:13 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion R. Belmont  10/17/13 04:57 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion absence  10/18/13 06:09 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Spelunker  10/17/13 06:11 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Anonymous  10/19/13 07:27 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Spelunker  10/20/13 04:27 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Anonymous  10/20/13 07:48 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Spelunker  10/20/13 09:26 PM
. * Re: Similar to Linux kernel relicense discussion Anonymous  10/22/13 07:31 AM
. * Regarding the illegal seller drama.... s_bastian  10/17/13 12:47 PM
. * Re: Regarding the illegal seller drama.... Anonymous  10/22/13 07:45 AM
. * Re: Regarding the illegal seller drama.... s_bastian  10/22/13 08:44 AM
. * Re: Regarding the illegal seller drama.... Anonymous  10/22/13 01:47 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Cyberzinho Punk  10/17/13 05:03 AM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 05:20 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 06:28 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/17/13 05:40 PM
. * Re: The end? :( B2K24  10/22/13 05:30 PM
. * Re: The end? :( bdam  10/17/13 07:06 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/17/13 09:27 PM
. * Re: The end? :( absence  10/18/13 06:24 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Anonymous  10/19/13 07:42 PM
. * Re: The end? :( SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 01:00 AM
. * Museums StilettoAdministrator  10/17/13 06:22 AM
. * Re: Museums Anonymous  10/17/13 11:03 PM
. * Re: Museums SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 06:33 AM
. * Re: Museums Matty_  10/17/13 07:18 AM
. * Re: Museums SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 02:04 PM
. * Re: Museums gregf  10/17/13 09:29 PM
. * Why not put it to a vote? zambr  10/17/13 04:26 PM
. * Re: Why not put it to a vote? absence  10/18/13 06:05 PM
. * Re: Why not put it to a vote? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 04:58 PM
. * Re: Why not put it to a vote? Anonymous  10/22/13 07:52 AM
. * Re: Why not put it to a vote? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/22/13 03:01 PM
. * Re: Why not put it to a vote? Anonymous  10/23/13 03:21 AM
. * informative post gregf  10/16/13 06:18 PM
. * Re: informative post etabeta  10/16/13 06:20 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 06:01 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Kitsune Sniper  10/17/13 02:49 AM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 06:36 PM
. * Re: The end? :( RATMNL  10/16/13 08:10 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 08:34 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 07:28 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Anonymous  10/16/13 07:45 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 08:40 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Anonymous  10/16/13 10:24 PM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/17/13 05:03 PM
. * Re: The end? :( RATMNL  10/16/13 05:52 PM
. * Re: The end? :( RATMNL  10/16/13 12:51 PM
. * Re: The end? :( RATMNL  10/16/13 12:50 PM
. * Re: The end? :( SmitdoggAdministrator  10/16/13 02:57 PM
. * in response to academia and some museums with opinion of: gregf  10/16/13 06:39 PM
. * Re: in response to academia and some museums with opinion of: etabeta  10/16/13 07:39 PM
. * Re: in response to academia and some museums with opinion of: Anonymous  11/02/13 11:09 AM
. * Re: in response to academia and some museums with opinion of: etabeta  11/03/13 08:35 AM
. * Re: in response to academia and some museums with opinion of: SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 12:43 AM
. * Re: The end? :( jumpmaniac81  10/16/13 05:18 PM
. * Re: The end? :( SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 12:53 AM
. * separate issue gregf  10/16/13 06:51 PM
. * Re: separate issue SmitdoggAdministrator  10/17/13 12:50 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 04:25 PM
. * Re: The end? :( etabeta  10/16/13 04:57 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 05:35 PM
. * Re: The end? :( scarlet  10/16/13 10:25 AM
. * Re: The end? :( jonwil  10/16/13 05:00 AM
. * Re: The end? :( DJ_Infinity  10/16/13 04:03 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 02:32 AM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 05:39 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 06:03 PM
. * Will someone please explain? Antny  10/16/13 03:03 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? etabeta  10/16/13 08:10 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Big Karnak  10/17/13 07:07 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? etabeta  10/17/13 07:35 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Big Karnak  10/17/13 08:49 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Lewis King  10/17/13 02:54 PM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Sune  10/17/13 09:55 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Firehawke  10/17/13 10:02 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Sune  10/17/13 10:07 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? ranger_lennier  10/17/13 11:40 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? casm  10/16/13 03:12 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? DMala  10/16/13 05:38 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Kitsune Sniper  10/16/13 07:06 AM
. * Re: Will someone please explain? Big Karnak  10/16/13 06:56 AM
. * Re: The end? :( casm  10/16/13 03:01 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 05:14 AM
. * Re: The end? :( casm  10/16/13 09:36 AM
. * Re: The end? :( SmitdoggAdministrator  10/16/13 03:47 PM
. * Re: The end? :( tamalmalamarrado  10/16/13 04:10 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 01:47 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Matty_  10/16/13 05:20 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Matty_  10/16/13 03:03 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Matty_  10/16/13 02:37 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 05:09 AM
. * Re: The end? :( R. Belmont  10/16/13 05:52 PM
. * Re: The end? :( Anonymous  10/22/13 07:57 AM
. * Re: The end? :( etabeta  10/22/13 11:51 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Anonymous  10/22/13 01:56 PM
. * Re: The end? :( etabeta  10/16/13 07:59 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Matty_  10/16/13 05:18 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Spelunker  10/16/13 05:33 AM
. * Re: The end? :( jumpmaniac81  10/16/13 01:33 AM
. * Re: The end? :( RetroRepair  10/16/13 02:04 AM
. * Haze just freaking out over changes that all. Dullaron  10/16/13 01:21 AM
. * Re: The end? :( gamez fan  10/16/13 01:02 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Lord Nightmare  10/16/13 02:47 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Lewis King  10/17/13 01:04 AM
. * Re: The end? :( casm  10/16/13 03:04 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Lord Nightmare  10/16/13 03:17 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/16/13 11:28 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) goofy123  10/16/13 12:00 PM
. * you don't know what you're talking about... *nt* etabeta  10/16/13 02:11 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/16/13 01:16 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Spelunker  10/16/13 01:53 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/19/13 07:35 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Spelunker  10/20/13 04:37 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) etabeta  10/21/13 09:19 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/22/13 08:00 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Big Karnak  10/21/13 10:14 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Matty_  10/21/13 10:42 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Big Karnak  10/22/13 05:22 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Mr. DoAdministrator  10/22/13 06:22 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/22/13 08:05 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) etabeta  10/22/13 11:50 AM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Anonymous  10/22/13 01:50 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) SmitdoggAdministrator  10/22/13 06:18 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Lord Nightmare  10/22/13 09:11 PM
. * Re: The end? :( (edited) Lewis King  10/21/13 03:41 PM
. * Re: The end? :( casm  10/16/13 03:30 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Lord Nightmare  10/16/13 03:55 AM
. * Re: The end? :( MetalliC  10/16/13 04:37 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Lord Nightmare  10/16/13 05:16 AM
. * Re: The end? :( Matty_  10/16/13 04:50 AM
. * OSI-MAME... Ich glaub mir wird gleich schlecht! MASH  10/16/13 02:57 AM
. * Re: OSI-MAME... Ich glaub mir wird gleich schlecht! Lord Nightmare  10/16/13 03:00 AM
. * Re: OSI-MAME... Ich glaub mir wird gleich schlecht! DMala  10/16/13 04:59 AM
. * Re: OSI-MAME... Ich glaub mir wird gleich schlecht! R. Belmont  10/16/13 05:22 PM
. * Re: OSI-MAME... Ich glaub mir wird gleich schlecht! etabeta  10/16/13 07:43 AM

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