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ranger_lennier
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Re: Update
11/01/13 01:59 PM


Yeah, I can't read anyone's mind here, but I really don't see any destructive motives from Haze (or anyone else, for that matter). If you look past some of the earlier posts, which tended to be less accurate and more angry, I think he at least makes a plausible argument. Basically, it seems that the original sin of MAME licensing was switching to a non-standard license, rather than a standard OSI license that was written up by IP experts. Then, as various people found loopholes in the license, it kept being updated. But, with too many contributors to actually get the permission of every one, it's not clear that MAMEdev had the ability to take code published under the old license and republish it under the new license without violating the old license. Now, as I've said, I don't know if this is true. But Haze says he's gotten legal advise on the matter, and I haven't heard anyone else say they've done this.

If, for the sake of argument, I accept that conclusion, then some of Haze's suggestions make a lot of sense. He's perfectly correct to not attribute partial copyright to himself in cases where he's made major modifications to code already in MAME. If the code wasn't properly licensed to begin with, then he has no legal rights to it. Perhaps, with a lot of work, they could get a completely clean version, but with such a long and complicated history of the code, it would be difficult to say this with a lot of confidence. And if they end up publishing code under GPL or BSD when they don't have the legal right to do so, then they're giving museums and academics a false assurance that they can use MAME code legally. Sanctioned commercial use of the program could perhaps bring unwanted attention to the project.







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* So why did this annoy me so much? AaronGiles 10/22/13 10:04 PM
. * Everything moved to EmuChat Mr. DoAdministrator  11/02/13 08:16 AM
. * Re: Everything moved to EmuChat Anonymous  11/02/13 12:16 PM
. * Might as well sell it for profit now... italieAdministrator  11/02/13 02:33 AM
. * David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. DaffyDuck  10/28/13 03:43 PM
. * Update joey35car  10/31/13 02:49 AM
. * Re: Update DMala  10/31/13 03:58 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  10/31/13 04:39 PM
. * Re: Update absence  10/31/13 07:40 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 12:50 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 03:00 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 04:55 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 05:14 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 05:22 PM
. * Re: Update RetroRepair  11/04/13 07:10 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 07:20 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:04 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 05:17 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 07:02 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 08:37 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/04/13 12:29 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 03:24 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/04/13 02:00 PM
. * Re: Update Lord Nightmare  11/03/13 05:23 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 05:26 PM
. * Re: Update Lord Nightmare  11/04/13 08:42 AM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/03/13 05:53 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 09:11 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/04/13 05:33 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 12:43 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 06:22 AM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/05/13 02:48 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/05/13 05:17 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 05:07 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/05/13 08:42 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/06/13 04:56 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/06/13 10:43 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/07/13 08:16 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/04/13 12:32 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 03:47 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/05/13 01:45 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/05/13 05:00 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/05/13 07:34 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/05/13 08:51 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/06/13 10:50 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/07/13 03:17 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/07/13 07:28 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/06/13 06:21 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/06/13 02:59 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/07/13 08:10 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/06/13 07:28 AM
. * Re: Update RATMNL  11/02/13 03:12 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/02/13 03:09 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 03:54 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  10/31/13 05:34 PM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  10/31/13 07:52 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/01/13 08:41 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:39 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 11:28 AM
. * Re: Update Vas Crabb  11/01/13 11:51 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  10/31/13 08:49 PM
. * Re: Update Traso  11/01/13 12:04 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/01/13 01:59 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/01/13 08:45 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:51 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 11:41 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 11:42 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:01 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 04:24 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:32 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 04:51 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 05:18 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 09:07 AM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  11/04/13 06:34 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 12:23 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/07/13 12:02 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/07/13 05:58 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/09/13 12:32 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/09/13 03:31 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/09/13 07:08 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 01:25 PM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  11/01/13 06:22 PM
. * Re: Update Bugfinder  11/09/13 10:07 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:34 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 12:43 AM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/01/13 02:28 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:20 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. Sharkpuncher  10/29/13 01:36 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. joey35car  10/29/13 03:00 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. ranger_lennier  10/29/13 02:13 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. Sharkpuncher  10/29/13 03:01 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. etabeta  10/29/13 08:26 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Master O  10/25/13 07:53 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Sune  10/25/13 08:46 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Phil Bennett  10/25/13 08:01 PM
. * and what's really sad Mr. DoAdministrator  10/25/13 01:21 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad Antny  10/28/13 02:01 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad gregf  10/28/13 08:59 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Antny  10/29/13 01:00 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 05:21 PM
. * Has anyone talked to a lawyer about the proposed licensing change? vram74  10/29/13 03:09 AM
. * A rational solution? But then there would be no emu drama! [nt] absence  10/29/13 01:08 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 07:18 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Lord Nightmare  10/25/13 08:34 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 08:51 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 08:48 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 08:58 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 09:06 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 09:15 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad ranger_lennier  10/27/13 10:21 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/27/13 01:20 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/28/13 04:31 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/31/13 03:13 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/31/13 04:54 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/31/13 05:40 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/31/13 07:24 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  11/02/13 12:36 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad StilettoAdministrator  10/31/13 07:36 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad XtraSmiley  10/28/13 08:32 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Bad A Billy  10/29/13 04:01 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad ranger_lennier  10/27/13 10:30 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad etabeta  10/25/13 04:00 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad DMala  10/25/13 07:19 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad B2K24  10/25/13 09:49 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Cable  10/24/13 08:41 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? CptGuapo  10/25/13 04:25 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? ReadOnly  10/24/13 07:08 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Solstar  10/24/13 03:25 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Chism  10/23/13 02:25 PM
. * Man... And I thought there was Actual news (NT) RATMNL  10/23/13 12:45 PM
. * Dude, this IS news..... Traso  10/23/13 11:59 PM
. * Re: Man... And I thought there was Actual news (NT) sirscotty  10/23/13 01:29 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? kodl  10/23/13 12:06 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lord Nightmare  10/23/13 12:17 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? kodl  10/23/13 11:57 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lord Nightmare  10/23/13 12:00 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/23/13 01:27 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Dullaron  10/23/13 05:48 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/23/13 05:52 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Dullaron  10/23/13 05:54 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lewis King  10/23/13 04:50 PM
. * Off Topic. Likes their musics. Daft Punk :) Dullaron  10/24/13 12:00 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 12:57 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Matty_  10/23/13 03:09 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 04:52 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Firehawke  10/23/13 06:09 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 06:21 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Firehawke  10/23/13 06:49 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? AaronGiles  10/23/13 02:19 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 05:10 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Chappie  10/23/13 01:29 PM

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