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Re: Update
11/02/13 02:34 AM


> What does it say to you that he wouldn't seek legal advice against people selling
> MAME commercially in violation of the license but he says he has sought it now to use
> against the rest of the team?
>

Honestly, I'm not sure that it's a good comparison. Everyone agreed that people selling MAME violated the license. There was no need to seek legal advice about that question. No one deemed it worthwhile to sue violators, and I agree that this probably would have been a waste of time and money.

Haze clearly stated that he had no plans to sue over MAME licensing. The extent of "using it against the rest of the team" was in making arguments on his blog about relicensing.


> For the record, there was a large-scale effort at the adoption of the current license
> to contact everyone back to the beginning of time. It may have missed some people,
> but ultimately we had responses from over 75 contributors and there have been zero
> requests since then to refuse the new licensing. So while the previous
> license-by-amendments was handled poorly, there was a real attempt to rectify all
> issues when the current license was adopted, and that should mean any problems with
> the amendment licenses no longer apply.
>
> A similar effort is under way now to further clarify ownership and document it in
> each source file; there will be a formal announcement of this alongside the release
> of 0.151 as well as other attempts to reach past contributors.

I do think that MAMEdev is making a good attempt to get their license in order, and I'm not as pessimistic as Haze about the possibility of eventually getting a cleanly licensed version of MAME. But I can't really attack Haze simply for pointing out some potential problems with the licensing. (I would criticize some of the more inflammatory statements he's made.) Those arguments were plausible and, as far as I can tell, made in good faith. Indeed, he now seems ready to go along with the current path even if it's not exactly what he may prefer.

http://mamedev.emulab.it/haze/2013/11/01/cleaning-up/







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* So why did this annoy me so much? AaronGiles 10/22/13 10:04 PM
. * Everything moved to EmuChat Mr. DoAdministrator  11/02/13 08:16 AM
. * Re: Everything moved to EmuChat Anonymous  11/02/13 12:16 PM
. * Might as well sell it for profit now... italieAdministrator  11/02/13 02:33 AM
. * David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. DaffyDuck  10/28/13 03:43 PM
. * Update joey35car  10/31/13 02:49 AM
. * Re: Update DMala  10/31/13 03:58 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  10/31/13 04:39 PM
. * Re: Update absence  10/31/13 07:40 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 12:50 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 03:00 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 04:55 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 05:14 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 05:22 PM
. * Re: Update RetroRepair  11/04/13 07:10 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 07:20 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:04 AM
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. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/04/13 12:29 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 03:24 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/04/13 02:00 PM
. * Re: Update Lord Nightmare  11/03/13 05:23 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 05:26 PM
. * Re: Update Lord Nightmare  11/04/13 08:42 AM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/03/13 05:53 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/03/13 09:11 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/04/13 05:33 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 12:43 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 06:22 AM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/05/13 02:48 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/05/13 05:17 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 05:07 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/05/13 08:42 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/06/13 04:56 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/06/13 10:43 PM
. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/07/13 08:16 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/04/13 12:32 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/04/13 03:47 PM
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. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/05/13 07:34 PM
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. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/06/13 06:21 AM
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. * Re: Update italieAdministrator  11/07/13 08:10 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/06/13 07:28 AM
. * Re: Update RATMNL  11/02/13 03:12 PM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/02/13 03:09 PM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 03:54 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  10/31/13 05:34 PM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  10/31/13 07:52 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/01/13 08:41 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:39 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 11:28 AM
. * Re: Update Vas Crabb  11/01/13 11:51 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  10/31/13 08:49 PM
. * Re: Update Traso  11/01/13 12:04 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/01/13 01:59 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/01/13 08:45 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:51 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/02/13 11:41 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 11:42 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:01 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 04:24 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 04:32 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 04:51 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 05:18 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/03/13 09:07 AM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  11/04/13 06:34 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/05/13 12:23 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/07/13 12:02 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/07/13 05:58 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/09/13 12:32 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/09/13 03:31 AM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/09/13 07:08 PM
. * Re: Update Anonymous  11/03/13 01:25 PM
. * Re: Update R. Belmont  11/01/13 06:22 PM
. * Re: Update Bugfinder  11/09/13 10:07 AM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:34 AM
. * Re: Update bdam  11/02/13 12:43 AM
. * Re: Update etabeta  11/01/13 02:28 PM
. * Re: Update ranger_lennier  11/02/13 02:20 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. Sharkpuncher  10/29/13 01:36 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. joey35car  10/29/13 03:00 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. ranger_lennier  10/29/13 02:13 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. Sharkpuncher  10/29/13 03:01 AM
. * Re: David Haywood's Homepage Downloads disabled.. etabeta  10/29/13 08:26 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Master O  10/25/13 07:53 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Sune  10/25/13 08:46 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Phil Bennett  10/25/13 08:01 PM
. * and what's really sad Mr. DoAdministrator  10/25/13 01:21 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad Antny  10/28/13 02:01 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad gregf  10/28/13 08:59 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Antny  10/29/13 01:00 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 05:21 PM
. * Has anyone talked to a lawyer about the proposed licensing change? vram74  10/29/13 03:09 AM
. * A rational solution? But then there would be no emu drama! [nt] absence  10/29/13 01:08 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 07:18 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Lord Nightmare  10/25/13 08:34 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 08:51 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 08:48 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 08:58 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad bdam  10/25/13 09:06 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/25/13 09:15 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad ranger_lennier  10/27/13 10:21 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/27/13 01:20 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/28/13 04:31 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/31/13 03:13 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/31/13 04:54 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  10/31/13 05:40 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad R. Belmont  10/31/13 07:24 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Anonymous  11/02/13 12:36 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad StilettoAdministrator  10/31/13 07:36 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad XtraSmiley  10/28/13 08:32 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad Bad A Billy  10/29/13 04:01 AM
. * Re: and what's really sad ranger_lennier  10/27/13 10:30 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad etabeta  10/25/13 04:00 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad DMala  10/25/13 07:19 PM
. * Re: and what's really sad B2K24  10/25/13 09:49 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Cable  10/24/13 08:41 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? CptGuapo  10/25/13 04:25 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? ReadOnly  10/24/13 07:08 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Solstar  10/24/13 03:25 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Chism  10/23/13 02:25 PM
. * Man... And I thought there was Actual news (NT) RATMNL  10/23/13 12:45 PM
. * Dude, this IS news..... Traso  10/23/13 11:59 PM
. * Re: Man... And I thought there was Actual news (NT) sirscotty  10/23/13 01:29 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? kodl  10/23/13 12:06 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lord Nightmare  10/23/13 12:17 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? kodl  10/23/13 11:57 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lord Nightmare  10/23/13 12:00 PM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/23/13 01:27 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Dullaron  10/23/13 05:48 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? SmitdoggAdministrator  10/23/13 05:52 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Dullaron  10/23/13 05:54 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Lewis King  10/23/13 04:50 PM
. * Off Topic. Likes their musics. Daft Punk :) Dullaron  10/24/13 12:00 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 12:57 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? Matty_  10/23/13 03:09 AM
. * Re: So why did this annoy me so much? lharms  10/23/13 04:52 PM
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