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Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date?
04/19/16 05:54 PM


> Just before burning your CD you can put a .txt file with the date, latest news
> headlines, and current weather in your location if you so wish.
>
> You can also label the CD or sharpie the date on it.

or you know.. we could just have the build date in there and avoid such life hacks.

I have to say B2K24, I often find you far too defensive of mamedev as a whole, no matter how badly done something is (and we do a lot of stuff badly) you sing the praises of it. I don't mean this in an offensive way, but I did have a conversation with Moogly the other day about how we need to look at how things work in terms of ordinary users, and how devs + power users can end up making us think we're doing the right thing when we're not.

Understanding what less techy users expect / need is very important to improving the project. A date might seem 'meaningless' to high-end users, but it's something people can connect with when they see it, that's why it ended up being used. A git hash and code OTOH might seem really useful to us, but it's absolute gibberish to a normal user. Having both satisfies both audiences.

It's not always what we want to see / hear, but as long as it's *non-destructive* it doesn't hurt to listen. The Widescreen debate amused me in the same way. As much as it annoys me seeing stretched to Widescreen videos on YouTube, EVERY SINGLE PERSON I know in real life wants the games to look that way, a significant number of them even want VERTICAL games stretched to fill a 16:9 screen, it looks like shit, but your every day person seems to expect that 'I paid for the screen, I'm making use of every pixel for my game' etc. (and yes, they do the same with movies)

The MAMEUI issue is the same, I don't know anybody who wants the command-line build, even coupled with QT. We keep trying to push it, to try to encourage people to move past MAMEUI, but most of them would never update MAME again without it (it took long enough for people I know to realise that MAME hadn't died when MAME32 stopped being updated, and that it was now actually called MAMEUI)

We're not, for the most part, dealing with ultra-intelligent people here, if anything a lot of our userbase seems to be of significantly below average intelligence (but often with good practical skills instead)

Something like a date is also a good reminder to ordinary people, they can see a date and think 'is that REALLY the last time I updated?' and it might prompt them to do so. There's nothing with a version number or git hash that can prompt them in that way. Yeah, some people will hold on to old versions on purpose anyway, but we now risk losing those who, come this time next year, would see 'May 2016' and think "I wonder what's happened in a year, maybe it's about time I updated"

I've always said the project needs to have a human side, not just a robotic side, that's what I'm trying to show here, the robotic approach feels really quite autistic and we need to be aware of that.







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* MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? John IV 04/18/16 04:15 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/18/16 07:57 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/18/16 09:14 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? etabeta  04/19/16 05:24 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 05:48 PM
. * I like to know the date.... Traso  04/19/16 11:57 PM
. * Re: I like to know the date.... MooglyGuy  04/20/16 12:14 AM
. * Re: I like to know the date.... Traso  04/26/16 09:37 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/19/16 05:30 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Vas Crabb  04/18/16 04:54 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? CiroConsentino  04/18/16 01:05 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/18/16 12:34 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Olivier Galibert  04/18/16 01:58 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/18/16 07:19 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? MooglyGuy  04/18/16 09:48 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/18/16 04:39 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Olivier Galibert  04/18/16 06:28 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/18/16 06:39 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? SoltanGris42  04/18/16 07:19 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/18/16 07:26 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/18/16 07:27 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? MooglyGuy  04/18/16 07:43 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/18/16 09:33 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? MooglyGuy  04/18/16 09:46 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/18/16 09:55 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? R. Belmont  04/19/16 02:49 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 02:57 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? remax  04/19/16 11:03 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 01:59 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/19/16 05:52 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 07:54 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 08:46 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 09:01 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 09:09 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 09:19 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 09:26 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 09:37 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 09:48 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 09:52 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 09:54 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 05:54 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Vas Crabb  04/20/16 12:32 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Traso  04/26/16 09:38 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/19/16 08:27 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 08:43 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/19/16 08:59 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 09:36 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/19/16 11:55 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Calamity  04/20/16 11:04 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/20/16 03:25 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/20/16 01:27 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Robbbert  04/20/16 03:14 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/20/16 06:18 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/20/16 06:20 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/20/16 03:44 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/20/16 02:51 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/20/16 03:50 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/20/16 04:18 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/20/16 04:51 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? LensLarque  04/20/16 06:04 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? remax  04/20/16 01:10 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/20/16 03:18 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/20/16 12:49 AM
. * MT was never right to begin with. Firehawke  04/20/16 12:16 AM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. LensLarque  04/20/16 12:47 AM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. MooglyGuy  04/20/16 02:46 AM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. LensLarque  04/20/16 03:49 AM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. Traso  04/26/16 09:40 AM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. LensLarque  04/26/16 12:52 PM
. * Re: MT was never right to begin with. Firehawke  04/20/16 01:55 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 09:08 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Kitsune Sniper  04/19/16 11:21 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 11:57 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Envisaged0ne  04/19/16 08:10 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 08:00 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/19/16 07:49 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? R. Belmont  04/19/16 07:33 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Firehawke  04/20/16 12:19 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Firehawke  04/19/16 12:57 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Haze  04/19/16 02:15 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? anikom15  04/19/16 03:42 AM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? R. Belmont  04/19/16 07:37 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? redk9258Moderator  04/18/16 10:49 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? B2K24  04/18/16 11:32 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? Envisaged0ne  04/18/16 11:49 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? SoltanGris42  04/18/16 10:46 PM
. * Re: MAME.exe no longer showing compile date? AntoPISA  04/18/16 07:33 PM

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