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Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports...
#208486 - 12/11/09 04:24 PM


Anybody with a working solution he would actually use...?

I read here and there that usuals ps2 to usb cable doesnt work well (latence, can't push multiple buttons, etc..)

I heard that a few ps2 to usb accessories work well due to electronics inside the components to boost it up.

But anyone here actually using a working or comfortable solution...?
name of the product or direct link please

Please!!! hate that dust on my hotrod since months.. can't use it anymore...
I'd like to ask directly Hanaho's but their site is out of order since months due to a possible redesign... (looks to me like bankrupt, as slickstick... :/)

If anyone can build a working solution for me, i'll pay, no problem.
Help... don't let die that hotrod on my desk... or i'll kill a kittie...

Thx, regards, MAMu_



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: MAMu_]
#208608 - 12/13/09 03:31 AM



Try this

http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/11298/subcatid/0/id/124184


I bought one, but honestly I haven't tested it yet. I still have a desktop with PS/2 ports. I've read elsewhere that you would still need a PS/2 keyboard plugged into the controller in order for the controller to operate correctly.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: CarnyPriest]
#208621 - 12/13/09 05:48 AM


> Try this
>
> http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/11298/subcatid/0/id/124184
>
>
> I bought one, but honestly I haven't tested it yet. I still have a desktop with PS/2
> ports. I've read elsewhere that you would still need a PS/2 keyboard plugged into the
> controller in order for the controller to operate correctly.

I haven't heard any good reports on USB adapters yet, especially from players sensitive to latency and who often hit so many keys to hit limitations of keyboard controllers. You likely will need an active PS/2 adapter rather than a passive adapter though.

I often hoped someone like RetroBlast would do a comparison but I've never seen it. Gut reaction is you're better off using a native USB controller if that's what you're limited to on the host.

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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: MAMu_]
#208705 - 12/14/09 04:08 AM


> Anybody with a working solution he would actually use...?
>
> I read here and there that usuals ps2 to usb cable doesnt work well (latence, can't
> push multiple buttons, etc..)
>
> I heard that a few ps2 to usb accessories work well due to electronics inside the
> components to boost it up.
>
> But anyone here actually using a working or comfortable solution...?
> name of the product or direct link please
>
> Please!!! hate that dust on my hotrod since months.. can't use it anymore...
> I'd like to ask directly Hanaho's but their site is out of order since months due to
> a possible redesign... (looks to me like bankrupt, as slickstick... :/)
>
> If anyone can build a working solution for me, i'll pay, no problem.
> Help... don't let die that hotrod on my desk... or i'll kill a kittie...
>
> Thx, regards, MAMu_

One possibility: Swap the existing HotRod encoder out for something like an iPAC or Keywiz. That would give you native USB functionality and should be pretty easy to do. It's been a while since I last opened my HotRod up, but I think you could just swap the wires, you wouldn't even need to do any soldering.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: Stiletto]
#208707 - 12/14/09 04:17 AM


> I haven't heard any good reports on USB adapters yet, especially from players
> sensitive to latency and who often hit so many keys to hit limitations of keyboard
> controllers. You likely will need an active PS/2 adapter rather than a passive
> adapter though.

Yeah. My understanding is you'll only get good performance by swapping the Hanaho encoder for something native USB like an IPAC or KeyWiz.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: MAMu_]
#219949 - 04/17/10 09:34 AM


I bought this one:

http://sewelldirect.com/Active-USB-to-PS2-Adapter.asp

and it works perfect and when I say perfect I mean perfect, no latency, multiple button presses, the works I believe its the same that another guy suggested, it MUST be ACTIVE.

and remember you MUST plug another old PS/2 keyboard for it to work. Do what I did, I ripped open an old keyboard and took the board only with the cable and wrapped with electrical black tape just for protection of the electronics and voila you have a working USB hotrod, believe its worth it since its the best joystick around period!!!



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: jgianola]
#219981 - 04/17/10 08:59 PM


> I bought this one:
>
> http://sewelldirect.com/Active-USB-to-PS2-Adapter.asp
>
> and it works perfect and when I say perfect I mean perfect, no latency, multiple
> button presses, the works I believe its the same that another guy suggested, it MUST
> be ACTIVE.

Interesting. Thanks.

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Extra Thanks... new [Re: jgianola]
#251633 - 04/12/11 04:43 PM


For what you posted. I went from a P4 with PS/2 keyboard to i7 Gen 2 'Sandy Bridge' USB only.

I happen to already have purchased the adapter you recommended [From the dealer thru Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BSJFJS] and it works fine...Usually.

Occassionally, all of a sudden it will jam in one direction or not respond to movement. I thought it might be due to not having a PS/2 keyboard plugged into my HotRodSE.

However, I figured it worked most of the time, so that cannot be the problem. I tried adjusting the keyboard delays and repeats as well, but nothing completely fixes the occasional problem.

I will attach a PS2 keyboard to the HotRod SE and try it again. Hopefully that will completely eliminate any issues.



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This_nt new [Re: DMala]
#251747 - 04/14/11 01:19 AM


> One possibility: Swap the existing HotRod encoder out for something like an iPAC or
> Keywiz. That would give you native USB functionality and should be pretty easy to do.
> It's been a while since I last opened my HotRod up, but I think you could just swap
> the wires, you wouldn't even need to do any soldering.

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Update... new [Re: Trebor]
#252591 - 04/23/11 03:47 AM


Well, the problem(s) atill exist with a PS/2 keyboard plugged in as well.

Of course, having no keyboard plugged in (Neither the USB or PS/2) results in the same problem of the player movement/input locking in one direction every now and then.

I've tried all sorts of Keyboard repeat and input delays as well, but unfortunately the same results.

It occurs for me under Win 7 Home Prem 64 bit with and without SP 1.

I'm hoping somebody/somewhere has a solution...

Test games where the problem is evident...Pac-Man, Ms. Pac-Man, Mr. Do, Dig Dug...

Never had any problems with my good ol' P4 and XP Professional.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: MAMu_]
#253036 - 04/27/11 03:40 PM


http://www.xgaming.com/store/arcade-part...ck-upgrade-kit/

I bought this got two extra buttons from happ, a hole saw.

Two hours later I have a Hotrod that will work on anything.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: Tingoes]
#253464 - 05/01/11 11:39 PM


> http://www.xgaming.com/store/arcade-part...ck-upgrade-kit/
>
> I bought this got two extra buttons from happ, a hole saw.
>
> Two hours later I have a Hotrod that will work on anything.

Thanks, Tingoes. I just ordered the kit. I'll follow up with the results for my HotRod SE.



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I'm surprised this was an issue.... new [Re: Trebor]
#253594 - 05/03/11 05:40 AM


Sounds like a crappy controller or something, as Ultimarc controllers don't suffer this issue.

In any case, given the time it might take to open the CP and disconnect the wires and re-connect them to an Ultimarc (and possibly a GGG; not sure on that, but likely) controller, the cost of the above unit is possibly worth it....



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: R. Belmont]
#253742 - 05/05/11 12:04 AM


Hi all,

I am writing because I do not understand what is happening, somes years ago i play on mame with my hotrod of hanao, today , I install mame 0.142 and I run a game, and ma hotrod it does not work (some key works but not the joystick (I do not understand because my hotrod normally operates with a very very old version of mame, but not with 0.142 help me please

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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: cartmanfr]
#253765 - 05/05/11 03:47 AM


> Hi all,
>
> I am writing because I do not understand what is happening, somes years ago i play on
> mame with my hotrod of hanao, today , I install mame 0.142 and I run a game, and ma
> hotrod it does not work (some key works but not the joystick (I do not understand
> because my hotrod normally operates with a very very old version of mame, but not
> with 0.142 help me please

Add "-ctrlr hotrod" to the command line when you start MAME, or add the same to MAME.ini. The Hotrod key encoder is hardwired to the button defaults from the early versions of MAME. The defaults in MAME changed somewhere around .36, so the switch was added to set them back, so you don't have to manually remap all of the controls.

Edited by DMala (05/05/11 03:52 AM)



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No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: mogli]
#253860 - 05/06/11 05:52 PM


First and foremost a *huge* thank you to Tingoes for pointing me to the following link: http://www.xgaming.com/store/arcade-part...ck-upgrade-kit/

Prior to that, I tried everything. This includes an active PS/2 to USB adapter. The one seen here: http://sewelldirect.com/Active-USB-to-PS2-Adapter.asp

While the active PS/2 to USB adapter works the majority of the time I am using the HotRod SE, every now and then (Sometimes more frequent than other times) the controller would ‘lock’ in one direction. Wiggling the joystick in various directions would break the ‘sticking’, but obviously it is not an acceptable solution.

I also tried various keyboard delay, timing and repeat settings. Still the same sticking issue would inevitably occur. Additionally, using a PS/2 keyboard connected and disconnected to the HotRod SE also did not resolve the problem.

Finally, with the Hanaho Hotrod Joystick Upgrade Kit, my HotRod SE controller works perfectly again. I am using Windows 7 64-bit, connected the controller via USB, without any issues now. The kit itself is great, but you need time and some patience in installing it. Here are my recommended steps from what I received and worked best for me:

1. Open your HotRod SE controller and disconnect all wiring from the switches and the encoder.

2. Dismount/unscrew the old Hanaho encoder from the HotRod SE joystick.

3. Mount/Screw on the new Arcade PC encoder in the same place you dismounted the Hanaho one. Face the serial connector to the back of the controller in the same spot the former PS/2 connections would be stationed.

4. Wire all connections to the switches first. Do not run connections to the encorder yet. All the wires are clearly labeled and easy to connect. However, each switch has a ground connection (One running color seen throughout a variety of different colored wires). The ground connectors do not have to be connected with the wire they are paired together in a particular group. Groups of wires are set according to the jumper they will attach to on the X-Arcade encoder board. I noticed for some wire groups the ground wire connectors were daisy chained in a way that would make reaching the encoder impossible or the position around certain connections (I.E. the joystick) caused crossed wires or poor wire positioning. I paired the ground wire connectors in the same jumper group with a respective other color connector in a way that was best for the HotRod SE layout. Again, this may sound more difficult than it is, but there is no soldering. Just patience and common sense and following the very good directions provide with the encoder.

5. Tingoes added buttons to the controller, I chose not to. Know the wiring is there for an eighth button on each player’s side. I highly recommend using as Tingoes did, a button saw if you are to add the eighth buttons.

6. There is a mode switch, which switches between the default (Mode 1 – HotRod SE layout) and 3 other programmable modes. I have no intention of programming the HotRod SE, so I just left the switch inside the controller. If you are going to use the mode switch, plan to cut out a place for it on the controller, probably best in the back so it can be mounted properly.

7. Along with the mode switch, there is a small red led light which would serve as indicator whether the controller is in ‘programming’ mode or not. Again, since I have no intension of using the mode switch or programming the controller, I had no use for making a spot for the tiny led red light. Your choice may be different and you may want to make a tiny hole for the light.

8. To go along with the small red led light and mode switch, there is also wiring for a mode button. Similar to the previous points, if you plan to use it, plan to make room for it. Again, I would suggest the back of the controller by the serial connector.

9. After you have connected all the wires to the switch and are planning to now connect to the encoder on the jumper that the set is designated for, connect the serial connector first and then proceed with the rest. Having mounted the serial connector to the back will place the diagram given by X-Arcade in their instructions upside down. Simply turn the diagram upside down to see how to make the proper wire connections to the respective jumper on the encoder board. The instruction shipped with the X-Arcade encoder package are here: http://www.xgaming.com/service/ServiceFiles/X-Arcade%20BYO%20Manual%20USA.pdf

Note: Regardless of whether I used a particular function or not (IE Mode switch) I made all connections on the encoder board. I did not try leaving some connections off the encoder board to see whether there would be problems or not. The stuff I’m not using I just left inside the controller. You may want to go about and test not connecting some features, but I rather leave well enough alone.

Patience and a relative good block of time are best. Even with a 5 month old baby, a playful cocker spaniel and a tired wife, I still was able to open the HotRod SE, remove the old wiring and encoder, mount the new encoder and wiring, close the HotRod SE, reconnect to the PC and test in about 2.5 hours.

Hope this helps some or many in the same or similar boat,
Trebor

P.S. I had a nice round of Dig Dug – Round 15 – 156,000+…Not one controller issue…Just perfect!



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Trebor]
#253970 - 05/08/11 05:22 AM


Dude, what? I thought that was a pnp solution. You could've paid less for an Ultimarc or GGG controller, and had more features.

Leave that dinosaur, that doesn't even belong in the last decade.



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Re: Hanaho's hotrod and new laptop pc with no ps2 ports... new [Re: DMala]
#253971 - 05/08/11 05:27 AM


> The defaults in MAME changed somewhere around .36, so the switch
> was added to set them back, so you don't have to manually remap all of the controls.

You'd probly have to re-map them, anyways, cos I think MAME defaults P1 buttons for player 1 controls. Which is fine, if you're playing a two-player simultaneous game. Or if you're just dull, and don't think beyond default conditions.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: mogli]
#254016 - 05/08/11 05:30 PM


> Leave that dinosaur, that doesn't even belong in the last decade.

No, thanks. I've had my HotRod SE since 2001. The joystick, buttons, control panel and finish are still in excellent condition even after 10+ years.

The only issue was it was built for PS/2 ports and not USB. It needed an updated encoder and port. What I was pointed to, utilized, and recommend was relatively easy to install and works beautifully.

Additionally, I already own a stand alone trackball and had no further needs. The HotRod SE is the right size too and fits perfectly in the space I have allocated and left for an arcade controller.

For the size, quality and durability, the HotRod SE fulfills my needs. The only thing 'broken' was relatively easily replaced; no need to toss the rest of the hardware out, especially considering the condition and quality of the product.

It would have cost me a hell of a lot more, if not in money, definitely in resources and time to try and build something of similar quality.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Trebor]
#254045 - 05/09/11 01:20 AM


> > Leave that dinosaur, that doesn't even belong in the last decade.
>
> No, thanks. I've had my HotRod SE since 2001. The joystick, buttons, control panel
> and finish are still in excellent condition even after 10+ years.
>
> The only issue was it was built for PS/2 ports and not USB. It needed an updated
> encoder and port. What I was pointed to, utilized, and recommend was relatively easy
> to install and works beautifully.
>
> Additionally, I already own a stand alone trackball and had no further needs. The
> HotRod SE is the right size too and fits perfectly in the space I have allocated and
> left for an arcade controller.
>
> For the size, quality and durability, the HotRod SE fulfills my needs. The only thing
> 'broken' was relatively easily replaced; no need to toss the rest of the hardware
> out, especially considering the condition and quality of the product.
>
> It would have cost me a hell of a lot more, if not in money, definitely in resources
> and time to try and build something of similar quality.

You're not understanding. The two sensible options are:

- keep it with an...appropriate....machine

- change out the encoder with a real one



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: mogli]
#254143 - 05/10/11 01:16 AM


> You're not understanding. The two sensible options are:
>
> - keep it with an...appropriate....machine
>
> - change out the encoder with a real one

I'm not understanding. The HotRod "USB Upgrade" replaces the encoder. Do you not like the one they picked or something?

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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Stiletto]
#254263 - 05/11/11 03:15 PM


The Hotrod uses arcade quality parts and is rock solid but has no USB connector.
Old hot rodders proverb:
"Sometimes you have to f*@# things to fix em."



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Stiletto]
#254341 - 05/12/11 06:31 AM


> > You're not understanding. The two sensible options are:
> >
> > - keep it with an...appropriate....machine
> >
> > - change out the encoder with a real one
>
> I'm not understanding. The HotRod "USB Upgrade" replaces the encoder. Do you not like
> the one they picked or something?
>
> - Stiletto

Ultimar and GGG controllers are cheaper and have more inputs. Since he re-wired and all.....



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: mogli]
#254895 - 05/18/11 06:14 PM


> Ultimar and GGG controllers are cheaper and have more inputs. Since he re-wired and
> all.....

Yes, but this one is made to work with the HotRod. There *is* value in that.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: R. Belmont]
#254960 - 05/19/11 09:09 AM


> > Ultimar and GGG controllers are cheaper and have more inputs. Since he re-wired and
> > all.....
>
> Yes, but this one is made to work with the HotRod. There *is* value in that.

H-hmh. No, dude, there ain't. I have no fucking idea why he re-wired the thing. I didn't see any sense in reading further. But since he did........he might as well as put in a *controller* that was better. Without the controller, it's just a box with controls, yo.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: mogli]
#254996 - 05/19/11 09:08 PM


> H-hmh. No, dude, there ain't. I have no fucking idea why he re-wired the thing. I
> didn't see any sense in reading further. But since he did........he might as well as
> put in a *controller* that was better. Without the controller, it's just a box with
> controls, yo.


Uhh...It's not like I had to splice wires or anything. The wires have clips which slid right on the respective switch button (Same as the original wire runs). All new wires were clearly labelled and it really was quite easy to do.

What "controller" would have been "better"?

It already has 2x 8-Way Happ competition joysticks. All the buttons are Happ Arcade buttons as well. The encoder handles and maps both joysticks and all present buttons and supports additional buttons as well.

You can also program and remap the default Mode 1 setting inputs to whatever keystrokes you desire and save the settings in one of the three other available Modes. All accessible by a simple switch and button while connecting a keyboard to the HotRod SE input.

How would a different "controller" be "better"?



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Trebor]
#255023 - 05/20/11 12:28 AM



> What "controller" would have been "better"?
>
> It already has 2x 8-Way Happ competition joysticks. All the buttons are Happ Arcade
> buttons as well. The encoder handles and maps both joysticks and all present buttons
> and supports additional buttons as well.
>
> You can also program and remap the default Mode 1 setting inputs to whatever
> keystrokes you desire and save the settings in one of the three other available
> Modes. All accessible by a simple switch and button while connecting a keyboard to
> the HotRod SE input.
>
> How would a different "controller" be "better"?

You could easily have removed the controller side ends and put them in an IPAC. I understand, though admittedly didn't know about, the 'modes' feature (just like X-arcade), but shortly after having my X-arcade and learning more about MAME, I didn't see any novelty in it.

I'm just saying: since you spent the money, and opened up the box to do anything, I would've spent less and gone with a modern encoder.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: Trebor]
#270930 - 12/14/11 07:22 PM


> First and foremost a *huge* thank you to Tingoes for pointing me to the following
> link:
> http://www.xgaming.com/store/arcade-part...ck-upgrade-kit/
>
> [...]
>
> Hope this helps some or many in the same or similar boat,
> Trebor

Thanks for this post. I had an old Hanaho HotRod SE in the closet from years ago and I bought the upgrade kit based on your post. Last night I tried to install it and got frustrated by the way the labels wires were taped together where I couldn't reach all the connections. Reading your post this morning again, I untaped some of the wiring to separate the ground wires and everything easily was within reach for connection. The final result works great. I forgot how much I like the Hanaho HotRod SE.

The actual controller board screw holes don't align perfectly where the Hanaho ones were, but it's close enough that it works.

I have it attached USB to an Apple Mac Pro for MAME. I'll be setting up a HTPC soon, so I'll probably move it to that in the near future. Thanks again for your post.



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: MrZarniwoop]
#356618 - 07/18/16 04:20 AM


I also own a Hanaho Hotrod SE joystick and am having the same problem that a few others have mentioned with PS/2 or sometimes keys got stuck.

I have read a few people have tried X-Arcade's Hanaho Hotrod Joystick Upgrade Kit With Switches.

I really want to fix the Hotrod Joystick to play it again.
However, before I want to spend the money, I have some questions for those already bought the upgrade kit:

(1) How good is the upgraded joystick? Does it have any problem with USB ?

(2) I read on some forums that some people using the X-Arcade joystick have problem with pressing more than 3 buttons at the sametime.
I know the upgrade kit page claim that it works fine with pressing 15 buttons simultaneously. Is there claim valid?



I have an unrelated question. (or somewhat related)
I read that it's easy to add a spinner control (after the upgrade).
Any idea on how much it would cost (rough estimate is ok) to buy the part(s) to add one?
( I mainly want to play Arkanoid with it)

Thanks!



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Re: No Longer An Issue – HotRod SE & Windows 7 64-bit - No PS/2 Port new [Re: minglw]
#356641 - 07/18/16 10:23 PM


That controller is so old, and apparently ghosted keystrokes. The upgrade kit sounds like it's a modern controller. Ask them about it.



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