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Supermodel WIP Videos
#249517 - 03/21/11 09:12 PM


This weekend I posted some videos of games as they currently appear in Supermodel.

Scud Race (Night Track)
Daytona USA 2 (Intermediate Track)
Daytona USA 2 (Beginner Track)
The Lost World (Attract Mode)
Star Wars Trilogy (Attract Mode)
Star Wars Trilogy (Yavin Mission)
Star Wars Trilogy (Endor Mission -- until the emulator crashes)
Le Mans 24
Fighting Vipers 2
LA Machineguns

Since the videos were recorded, I have fixed the missing colors in Star Wars (lasers, HUD, targeting reticles, etc.) Harley Davidson and Ocean Hunter are showing some 3D but they crash because of unusually large display lists. I'm not sure what's going on.

Despite having spent the last two days looking at it, there has not been any progress on the flickering, bad polygons in Sega Rally 2 or remaining issues with material colors, unfortunately. I think I'll move on to other aspects of the emulator next weekend. All the easy stuff has been figured out and what remains is quite tricky.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249519 - 03/21/11 09:25 PM


congrats bart,you're doing an excellent job!even with all the glitches and stuff,can't wait to see some results in person



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249521 - 03/21/11 09:29 PM


great stuff. very well done!



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249533 - 03/21/11 11:33 PM


Beautiful!!!!



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249544 - 03/22/11 12:43 AM


Great work, it looks very close, that Daytona 2 beginner track is much more interesting than the boring looking power edition beginner track.

1 Question

Will this progress be implemented into the next version of MAME!



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249550 - 03/22/11 03:11 AM


Very impressive indeed! Now the big question....


What are the system specs you are running to record the video at that speed?



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: sirscotty]
#249552 - 03/22/11 05:14 AM


Excellent and exciting. Thank you and continue to keep us posted



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249553 - 03/22/11 05:26 AM


Great work Bart. Its great to see all the progress you are making! Thanks from all of us who wish we had the knowlege to do what you and of course the mame dev's do.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249554 - 03/22/11 07:54 AM


When I played "Harley-Davidson & L.A. Riders" on MAME32 0.120, it was actually faster than usual, but it was unplayable when the 1st stage started, crashed, and had lagging sound.

Are you going to support the daughter board for that game?

Edited by MegaManX500 (03/22/11 07:57 AM)



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249558 - 03/22/11 11:02 AM


Daytona 2 looks damn good for that, even if it's not perfect, I can agree with Guru or whoever said that Model 3 games were graphically better than Naomi and that xP



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Naoki]
#249567 - 03/22/11 12:34 PM


> Daytona 2 looks damn good for that, even if it's not perfect, I can agree with Guru
> or whoever said that Model 3 games were graphically better than Naomi and that xP

The right Artist can do amazing things.

The steal dome itself in Daytona 2 is way ahead of it's time, WII and PS3 and 360 are the 1st home systems to deliver visuals of that Quality, even though Xbox, Naomi, PS2, all superior to model 3.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#249569 - 03/22/11 01:06 PM


> > Daytona 2 looks damn good for that, even if it's not perfect, I can agree with Guru
> > or whoever said that Model 3 games were graphically better than Naomi and that xP
>
> The right Artist can do amazing things.
>
> The steal dome itself in Daytona 2 is way ahead of it's time, WII and PS3 and 360 are
> the 1st home systems to deliver visuals of that Quality, even though Xbox, Naomi,
> PS2, all superior to model 3.

Not this again, are you the same guy who used to praise Model 2 tree textures?



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Don Tacos]
#249570 - 03/22/11 01:12 PM


> > > Daytona 2 looks damn good for that, even if it's not perfect, I can agree with
> Guru
> > > or whoever said that Model 3 games were graphically better than Naomi and that xP
>
> >
> > The right Artist can do amazing things.
> >
> > The steal dome itself in Daytona 2 is way ahead of it's time, WII and PS3 and 360
> are
> > the 1st home systems to deliver visuals of that Quality, even though Xbox, Naomi,
> > PS2, all superior to model 3.
>
> Not this again, are you the same guy who used to praise Model 2 tree textures?

You won't find a large Structure that solid looking and with that depth in any of the console games prior to WII and 360 and so on. Not saying they can't do it, just saying you won't find one in any of the games.



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Evans and Sutherland! Evans and Sutherland! *nt* new [Re: Don Tacos]
#249571 - 03/22/11 01:14 PM


> Not this again, are you the same guy who used to praise Model 2 tree textures?



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#249573 - 03/22/11 01:52 PM


> > > Daytona 2 looks damn good for that, even if it's not perfect, I can agree with
> > Guru
> > > > or whoever said that Model 3 games were graphically better than Naomi and that
> xP
> >
> > >
> > > The right Artist can do amazing things.
> > >
> > > The steal dome itself in Daytona 2 is way ahead of it's time, WII and PS3 and 360
> > are
> > > the 1st home systems to deliver visuals of that Quality, even though Xbox, Naomi,
> > > PS2, all superior to model 3.
> >
> > Not this again, are you the same guy who used to praise Model 2 tree textures?
>
> You won't find a large Structure that solid looking and with that depth in any of the
> console games prior to WII and 360 and so on. Not saying they can't do it, just
> saying you won't find one in any of the games.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hmmmm.....the Xbox 1 versions of OutRun 2 and RalliSport Challenge 2 say hello?



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One word ... new [Re: Bart T.]
#249582 - 03/22/11 03:19 PM


A W E S O M E !!!



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249598 - 03/22/11 06:52 PM


are this videos recorded from your desktop computer?
(core 2 duo 2,2ghz and ge force 7300)



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: karadaniano]
#249599 - 03/22/11 06:57 PM


These are off of a Linux workstation with a 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo and some sort of Nvidia card (I forget which, but the machine is about 3 years old).

Edited by Bart Trzynadlowski (03/22/11 06:58 PM)



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Outrun2006]
#249608 - 03/22/11 09:59 PM


> Hmmmm.....the Xbox 1 versions of OutRun 2 and RalliSport Challenge 2 say hello?

And GLQuake, and the GameCube version of Resident Evil 4, and several hundred PS2 and Dreamcast games...

Also, Model 3 only output 496x384. Dreamcast/PS2/Gamecube/Xbox/Naomi all ran 640x480.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249609 - 03/22/11 10:21 PM


Wow! Really impressive quality, Bart. Looking forward to see them all in our favorite emulator. Congrats.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: R. Belmont]
#249613 - 03/22/11 11:22 PM


Model 3 certainly cannot compare to any of those systems (although it was definitely way ahead of its time, both in terms of pixel-pushing power and hardware T&L) but GLQuake? I can't imagine Quake having any problems on Model 3.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249636 - 03/23/11 02:27 AM


> Model 3 certainly cannot compare to any of those systems (although it was definitely
> way ahead of its time, both in terms of pixel-pushing power and hardware T&L) but
> GLQuake? I can't imagine Quake having any problems on Model 3.

On paper no.

The Daytona 2 Arcade Medium Track looks a little bit better and is Running at a higher Frame rate than the one in Outrun 2 on XBOX.

Outrun 2, Daytona Bonus Track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_yhgPRMfE



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#249639 - 03/23/11 03:29 AM


I don't agree that this looks worse than the Model 3 version or that it necessarily must be running at a lower frame rate. There appear to be no noticeable difference in the textures or geometry.



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Bart ... you know ... new [Re: Bart T.]
#249640 - 03/23/11 03:58 AM


how to tease your Supermodel disciples

Best regards,
RetroLover

Edited by RetroLover (03/23/11 04:01 AM)



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249644 - 03/23/11 07:46 AM


> I don't agree that this looks worse than the Model 3 version or that it necessarily
> must be running at a lower frame rate. There appear to be no noticeable difference in
> the textures or geometry.

Yeah true, they look about the same, the Arcade a little bit better cause of the longer View Distance.

The XBox version sucked though, it was missing the Giant Spider Alien and the RollerCoaster, it has the rails but no RollerCoaster.

Once the lighting and that is Emulated properly it will look Great.

The Theme Park Track, running on it's Cabinet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VBnev6-ts



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249652 - 03/23/11 11:40 AM


ECA is a great Model 3 game, it Gives you the feeling of Speed.

Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyy6tMeS73U&feature=related

Gameplay from the Inside View
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjzRe8FZwjc



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This has been voted nerdiest reply ever in a recent poll (nt) new [Re: Stiletto]
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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#249680 - 03/23/11 04:01 PM


Thanks for posting this video! This game looks nice.

What gives Model 3 games that distinctive "look" on the arcade screen -- (and I suppose this is true for all 3D hardware, albeit in different ways) is the lighting and shading. At this point, I think most of the lighting parameters are understood but some of the shading details, namely exactly how material properties are applied and where the specular component is defined, are not quite there yet.

I haven't yet hooked up ECA in Supermodel. I've got a huge back-log of things to do. If it's like other Step 2.1 games (Ocean Hunter, Harley, LA Machineguns), it's not likely to work very well.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249685 - 03/23/11 04:43 PM


> Thanks for posting this video! This game looks nice.
>
> What gives Model 3 games that distinctive "look" on the arcade screen -- (and I
> suppose this is true for all 3D hardware, albeit in different ways) is the lighting
> and shading. At this point, I think most of the lighting parameters are understood
> but some of the shading details, namely exactly how material properties are applied
> and where the specular component is defined, are not quite there yet.
>
> I haven't yet hooked up ECA in Supermodel. I've got a huge back-log of things to do.
> If it's like other Step 2.1 games (Ocean Hunter, Harley, LA Machineguns), it's not
> likely to work very well.

No Probs.

They would look pretty good running on a pc at 60fps, probably not as good as on the Arcade monitors though cause they are built for them.

Cause you can't notice the Anti-Aliasing when they run in slow motion.



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#249693 - 03/23/11 05:51 PM


If anyone remembers, I'm referring to some Sega Model 1/2 fanboy who used to go around fanboying about Evans and Sutherland. Might have been this guy: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=18806

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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249710 - 03/24/11 12:47 AM


are we near of the first virtua striker 2 snaps? im pretty interest in the original version (1997 step 1.5) since demul already emulates the 98 ver (step 1.5)



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: karadaniano]
#249805 - 03/25/11 01:50 AM


I don't seem to have the complete VS2 ROM set. For now, I've only hooked up VS2'98. So far it appears to be working fine but I haven't played with it very much.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#249821 - 03/25/11 04:47 AM


Some more model 3 Gold. I like Spikeout the best, excellent Animation for it's time, All done with the brush, no Digitized textures.

Spikeout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-2251YoGrk

Dirt Devils
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nn5DoNGxfI

Harley and La riders, Hd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFDeafwgEJY



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: karadaniano]
#250129 - 03/28/11 08:06 AM


Here is a better video of Harley La Riders, the other is too Jerky, you can't notice the Anti-Aliasing which is always nice to look at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL63UJp5sFA



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#250130 - 03/28/11 08:21 AM


I notice in some Model 3 games they tried to make the Animation look like the Thunderbirds lol, they did a pretty good Job. Some of the Animation looks amazing.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#250164 - 03/28/11 03:54 PM


I took some pictures of Daytona 2 Running on its Cabinet, apart from the colors been a bit brighter on the mountains, i think it looks better on your Emulator, obviously because the Arcade Monitors Outdated-Looking Greenish-Blue lighting effect or shading effect.

I was Amazed when i 1st seen Daytona 2 back in 1998, the 1st thoughts that came to my mind was Exotic Green Remix of the 1st track in the Original Daytona.

http://img232.imageshack.us/i/tvtgtgg.png/

http://img842.imageshack.us/i/tgtgtgtg.png/

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3044/d2intrompg000031708.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/i/yhyhyhyh.png/

http://img857.imageshack.us/i/gtgtgtgt.png/



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: GraphicArts]
#250173 - 03/28/11 07:12 PM


Dude, we're talking about 15 year old hardware. Yes, it was impressive for it's time, and I still enjoy the 60fps visuals. But I don't delude myself into thinking the textures are better than modern ones.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#250181 - 03/28/11 09:12 PM


Might be an off-topic question, kind of. But what kind of duo-core processor will I need to run these Model 3 games perfectly without any lag at all? I've got a Celeron, which runs Model 2 slowly while attempting to run at 60 fps.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: JustSaiyanPaul]
#250188 - 03/28/11 10:32 PM


For now, because I am using a slow C interpreter, you want the fastest CPU possible. If you're having trouble running Model 2, Model 3 is unlikely to perform well. There is a lot of work to be done before I implement a dynarec, which should add a substantial speed boost.



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#250230 - 03/29/11 03:49 PM


So, I might need a processor like an Intel Core i5 or i7 to run these games in full speed?



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Re: Supermodel WIP Videos new [Re: Bart T.]
#250248 - 03/29/11 09:32 PM


> For now, because I am using a slow C interpreter, you want the fastest CPU possible.
> If you're having trouble running Model 2, Model 3 is unlikely to perform well. There is a lot of work to be done before I implement a dynarec, which should add a substantial speed boost.

Fastest CPU... Im using a Phenom II X6, but how many cores is gonna use? 2? Well, I running each core at 3.3ghz though, along with a HD5750 :P

I cant wait to test that thing with FSAA x8 at fullspeed (If It supports it or if I can force it)


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