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Yakuza/Judgment series contain undumped version of Super Hang-On
#396719 - 07/24/23 08:42 PM
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I'm slowly working on a comparison of Sega Arcade vs PC ports on YouTube.
My last one, about Hang-On, explained how the so-called "New Course" version in Shenmue 1+2 remaster is actually the ride-on variant from 1985, and not new at all!
I've since been looking at the other Sega super-scaler games that appear in the Yakuza/Judgment series, comparing in particular to Yakuza 6, which uses the exact same pixel scaling/aspect ratio as MAME.
In Yakuza 6 I found that both Fantasy Zone and Space Harrier are 100% pixel identical to MAME.
Out Run (apart from switched sprites) has the entire sprite layer (but not road layer) moved to the left by 1 pixel (in-game resolution).
However, Super Hang-On appears totally different in the Yakuza/Judgment series, as you can see in this comparison of the Africa stage start line:
The Africa stage in MAME then starts with: right-tightens > left > left/right/left/right...
You can see several real arcade cabinets using this ROMset - note that all are upright units:
1. https://youtu.be/wInYgON1xcU?t=18
2. hhttps://youtu.be/yo_NUdE8rFg?t=927
3. https://youtu.be/kfVSu5afkcA?t=534
Meanwhile the Africa stage in Yakuza starts with: left > left-tightens > right over hill > long left over hill...
I found a real arcade cabinet using this course, and it's a ride-on unit:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wq8v6nbHtwU
So, in short, the Yakuza/Judgment games feature an undumped (or at least not-yet-in-MAME) version of the game!
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Re: Yakuza/Judgment series contain undumped version of Super Hang-On
[Re: VirtuaIceMan]
#397417 - 11/21/23 02:38 PM
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I don't suppose anyone out there has the ride-on unit for dumping/use in MAME? In the near future I'll be comparing the arcade to home ports and the ride-on version/version in Yakuza isn't yet dumped.
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I had a look into the PC Yakuza 6 install folder, and it has a sub-folder called minigames/segaages_w64/hng which contains the cabinet side graphics as bezel.dds and a file like sa_hng_w64.bin - not sure what would open that.
I also just noticed that Puyo Puyo, which appears in Yakuza 6, has near identical folder structure to Puyo Puyo Tetris (even has a "tetris" sub-folder!) so it's clearly a cut-back version of that!
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Me again, I've recently compared Alien Syndrome arcade to DOS port https://youtu.be/F_UM7u-RDQk and next up is Super Hang-On, so I collected videos of the arcade in MAME and the similarly aspect-ratioed version in Yakuza 6.
It's the first part (at least) of the beginner Africa stage that's radically different (turns etc, as per Hang-On standup vs ride-on). The other stages appear fairly similar (if not necessarily 1:1 identical).
As mentioned, there is footage of a ride-on unit with this version on it, it just doesn't appear to have been dumped yet, so my comparison will have to use what's available 
Edited by VirtuaIceMan (03/22/24 01:25 AM)
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