Re: Riiiight. Just like Hillary went to prison
01/11/21 12:34 PM
> While I agree, one should understand why he'd do this when he and millions of other
> Americans believe democracy had already been undermined with an unbelievable amount
> of votes going to JB and fraud looking to be extremely likely. Just look at the
> turn-out to either candidates rallies. And yet JB still won?
What do rallies have to do with anything? I never go to rallies, I always vote. Biden had been telling people for months, “stay at home, vote by mail," why are you so shocked that his supporters did that?
Trump and his lawyers has not been able to present a single piece of evidence of this supposed widespread vote fraud. The case he tried taking to Texas was particularly bizarre. It amounted to, “There must be fraud because I lost, the fraud was done so well it’s undetectable, therefore I want the election result to be completely ignored.”
If the fraud is so obvious, where’s the evidence?
> It might be a matter of opinion, but realistically... Does anyone actually believe
> when he uses the term 'fight' that he doesn't mean in a legal sense? Is it
> reasonable/rational that he'd deliberately put citizens in potential harm via a
> literal and armed uprising? If Trump was intending a literal use of force - what's to
> stop him from using the US Armed forces to achieve such a goal (e.g. being the
> Commander-in-Chief)? That'd seem way more efficient and way less dangerous for
> citizens/the general public.
He can declare war on another nation. He can’t call on the armed forces to attack US citizens without invoking the insurrection act or declaring martial law. He can’t do that unless there’s actually a widespread uprising that warrants it, i.e. not just isolated incidents you can contain by calling in the national guard. He definitely can’t call on the armed forces to interfere with congress.
As for whether he meant it literally or not, consider a “fire in a theatre” example. Suppose that, for a joke, I hold up a cigarette lighter in a theatre, light it, point at it with my other hand and yell, “Fire!” Now if everyone realises it’s a joke, groans, and keeps watching the show, I’m not going to be prosecuted for anything. However, if people stampede for the exit, someone trips, gets trampled, and dies, I’ll be facing charges of manslaughter. I may not have literally meant, “The theatre is on fire,” but I should have realised that it’s likely enough to be interpreted that way.
The same is true for Trump in this case. He should know about the QAnon conspiracy, the “stormers”, etc. It’s reasonable to expect that at least some of them are going to interpret what he said literally, as incitement to prevent Democrat electors from having their votes counted.
> Perhaps that's what up with the panicky mode the Dems seems to be in to try to get
> Trump impeached... Fear of Trump using the Insurrection Act and declaring martial law
> (since it's obvious to anyone that they meddled with votes and they know they're
> screwed). If everything was actually on the up&up then what are they so worried
You keep saying it’s obvious that they meddled with votes, but the only thing you present as supporting evidence is that Trump lost. His approval ratings had been falling all year. Pre-election polls predicted an even more decisive win for Biden. If anything, Trump did surprisingly well in the election.
Have you considered that Trump might have been trying to incite widespread violence so he has grounds to invoke the insurrection act and delay the handover? A last-ditch effort to use any dirty trick to stay in the white house.