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Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ?
#291627 - 07/12/12 07:02 PM



this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?



Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed:
· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways

and seaports.
· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and

minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government

supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial

aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with

public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage

facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies,

consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization

to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial

crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive

Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens,

to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control

over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of

money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of

emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.



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Need for concern? - No. new [Re: Renegade]
#291628 - 07/12/12 07:06 PM


> this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?
>
>
> Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed:
> · EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
> transportation and control of highways

Executive Order 10990. Reestablishing the Federal Safety Council. Signed: February 2, 1962

I don't think I need to finish here...

- Stiletto



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Re: Need for concern? - No. new [Re: Stiletto]
#291629 - 07/12/12 07:21 PM


> > this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?
> >
> >
> > Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed:
> > · EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
> > transportation and control of highways
>
> Executive Order 10990. Reestablishing the Federal Safety Council. Signed: February 2,
> 1962
>
> I don't think I need to finish here...
>
> - Stiletto

I'll do the end for you: Executive Order 11921, Adjusting Emergency Preparedness Assignments to Organizational and Functional Changes in Federal Departments and Agencies, June 11, 1976.

The whole of these are pre-Carter.



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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291630 - 07/12/12 07:34 PM


> this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?
>
>
> Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed:
> · EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990
>
.
.
.
> EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921


President Obama's executive orders start at EO 13489. You can go through the full list searching for
scary conspiracies here.



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Re: Need for concern? - No. new [Re: TriggerFin]
#291631 - 07/12/12 07:47 PM


> > > this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed:
> > > · EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
> > > transportation and control of highways
> >
> > Executive Order 10990. Reestablishing the Federal Safety Council. Signed: February
> 2,
> > 1962
> >
> > I don't think I need to finish here...
> >
> > - Stiletto
>
> I'll do the end for you: Executive Order 11921, Adjusting Emergency Preparedness
> Assignments to Organizational and Functional Changes in Federal Departments and
> Agencies, June 11, 1976.


>
> The whole of these are pre-Carter.


Hey...if he's good enough to blame for most of Bush's orders, I see no reason to stop there.



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More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: TriggerFin]
#291632 - 07/12/12 07:52 PM


TL;DR Version:
- 95% of these were issued by Kennedy
- 95% of these were revoked by Nixon, who issued his own version (but did not repeal them)
- and most were written during the Cold War, when we HAD shit like this to worry about (nuclear war, man)
- finally, what you'll see if you look at these executive orders is that Kennedy might issue one, that's revoked by Nixon, which is revoked by Reagan, etc. etc. These orders have their own checks-and-balances in that they can be edited and overridden by future presidents as well as by other means.

So to the OP: stop scaremongering, or, if you're not ultimately to blame here, at least do your own research before posting, sheesh. Pity that I don't have a Snopes article to send you to, but oh well.

[EDIT] This Snopes article seems to be in reaction to the most recent bout of it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ndrp.asp

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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.




Executive Order 10990 - Re-Establishing the Federal Safety Council.
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 2, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1065, February 6, 1962
Revokes: EO 10194, December 19, 1950
Superseded by: EO 11612, July 26, 1971
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.




Executive Order 10995 - Assigning Telecommunications Management Functions
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1519, February 20, 1962
Revokes: EO 10460, June 16, 1953
Amends: EO 10695-A (not published); EO 10705, April 17, 1957
See: EO 11051, September 27, 1962
Amended by: EO 11084, February 15, 1963
Revoked by: EO 11556, September 4, 1970
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58933


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.




Executive Order 10997 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Secretary of the Interior
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1522, February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58935


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.




Executive Order 10998 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Secretary of Agriculture
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1524, February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961; FR Doc. 62-9459, 27 FR 9418
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58936


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.




Executive Order 11000 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Secretary of Labor
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1532, February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58938


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.




Executive Order 11001 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1534; February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58940


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.




Executive Order 11002 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Postmaster General
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1539; February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58941


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.




Executive Order 11003 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Agency
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1540; February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961; FR Doc. 63-3328, 28 FR 3125
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58942


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.




Executive Order 11004 - Assigning Certain Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Housing and Home Finance Administrator
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1542; February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58943


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.




Executive Order 11005 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Interstate Commerce Commission
Signed by John F. Kennedy, February 16, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 1544; February 20, 1962
See: EO 10952, July 20, 1961
Revoked by: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58944


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.




Executive Order 11049 - Providing for the Carrying Out of the Public Works Acceleration Act
Signed by John F. Kennedy, September 14, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 9203; September 18, 1962
Revoked by: EO 12553, February 25, 1986
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58988


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.




Executive Order 11051 - Prescribing Responsibilities of the Office of Emergency Planning in the Executive Office of the President
Signed by John F. Kennedy, September 27, 1962
Federal Register page and date: 27 FR 9683; October 2, 1962
Amends: Proc. 3279, March 10, 1959; EO 10242, May 8, 1951; EO 10260, June 27, 1951; EO 10296, October 2, 1951; EO 10312, December 10, 1951; EO 10346, April 17, 1952; EO 10421, December 31, 1952; EO 10427, January 16, 1953; EO 10480, August 14, 1953; EO 10494, October 14, 1953; EO 10529, April 22, 1954; EO 10582, December 17, 1954; EO 10601, March 21, 1955; EO 10634, August 25, 1955; EO 10660, February 15, 1956; EO 10705, April 17, 1957; EO 10737, October 29, 1957; EO 10789, November 14, 1958; EO 10900, January 5, 1961; EO 10952, July 20, 1961; EO 10958, August 14, 1961
Revokes: EO 9981, July 26, 1948; EO 10219, February 28, 1951; EO 10269, July 6, 1951; EO 10438, March 13, 1953; EO 10461, June 17, 1953; EO 10524, March 31, 1954; EO 10539, June 22, 1954; EO 10638, October 10, 1955; EO 10773, July 1, 1958; EO 10782, September 6, 1958; EO 10902, January 9, 1961
Amended by: EO 11075, January 15, 1963; EO 11556, September 4, 1970; EO 12046, March 27, 1978
Revoked in part by: EO 11725, June 27, 1973
Revoked by: EO 12148, July 20, 1979
See: EO 10995, February 16, 1962; EO 11030, June 19, 1962; Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958; Memorandum of February 9, 1962; EO 11610, July 22, 1971; EO 11725, June 27, 1973
NOTE: See Public Law 94-412 (90 Stat. 1255; 50 U.S.C. 1601), which terminates, effective September 14, 1978, all powers and authorities, except those expressly cited, possessed by the President and/or other Federal officials as a result of any declaration of a national emergency in effect on September 14, 1976
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58990


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.




Executive Order 11310 - Assigning Emergency Preparedness Functions to the Attorney General
Signed by Lyndon B. Johnson, OCtober 11, 1966
Federal Register page and date: 31 FR 13199; October 13, 1966
Revoked by: Executive Order 11490, October 28, 1969


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· EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.




Executive Order 11921 - Adjusting Emergency Preparedness Assignments to Organizational and Functional Changes in Federal Departments and Agencies
Signed by Gerald R. Ford, June 11, 1976
Federal Register page and date: 41 FR 24294; June 15, 1976
Amends: EO 11490, October 28, 1969
Amended by: EO 12046, March 27, 1978
Supersedes: EO 11522, April 6, 1970; EO 11556, September 4, 1970 (in part); EO 11746, November 7, 1973
See: EO 11953, January 7, 1977; Pub. L. 94-412 (90 Stat. 1255, 50 U.S.C. 1601)
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=59356

Sources:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1962.html
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1966.html
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/1976.html



- Stiletto

Edited by Stiletto (07/13/12 07:14 AM)



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Stiletto]
#291642 - 07/12/12 10:47 PM



Quote:


So to the OP: stop scaremongering, or, if you're not ultimately to blame here, at least do your own research before posting




Why do research when FoxNews gives us all the "facts" we need in bite sized, sound quips (a.k.a. Glenn Beck and O'reilly shouting). Research schmesearch...



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Stiletto]
#291645 - 07/12/12 10:59 PM


> TL;DR Version:
> - 95% of these were issued by Kennedy
> - 95% of these were revoked by Nixon, who issued his own version (but did not repeal
> them)
> - and most were written during the Cold War, when we HAD shit like this to worry
> about (nuclear war, man)
> - finally, what you'll see if you look at these executive orders is that Kennedy
> might issue one, that's revoked by Nixon, which is revoked by Reagan, etc. etc. These
> orders have their own checks-and-balances in that they can be edited and overridden
> by future presidents as well as by other means.
>
> So to the OP: stop scaremongering, or, if you're not ultimately to blame here, at
> least do your own research before posting, sheesh. Pity that I don't have a Snopes
> article to send you to, but oh well.

I know every president attracts wingnuts from the opposite side, but is it me, or do the ones President Obama attracts seem a little more hysterical and, well, wingnuttier than usual?



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YES!!!!!!! <NT> new [Re: DMala]
#291648 - 07/12/12 11:24 PM


> > TL;DR Version:
> > - 95% of these were issued by Kennedy
> > - 95% of these were revoked by Nixon, who issued his own version (but did not
> repeal
> > them)
> > - and most were written during the Cold War, when we HAD shit like this to worry
> > about (nuclear war, man)
> > - finally, what you'll see if you look at these executive orders is that Kennedy
> > might issue one, that's revoked by Nixon, which is revoked by Reagan, etc. etc.
> These
> > orders have their own checks-and-balances in that they can be edited and overridden
> > by future presidents as well as by other means.
> >
> > So to the OP: stop scaremongering, or, if you're not ultimately to blame here, at
> > least do your own research before posting, sheesh. Pity that I don't have a Snopes
> > article to send you to, but oh well.
>
> I know every president attracts wingnuts from the opposite side, but is it me, or do
> the ones President Obama attracts seem a little more hysterical and, well,
> wingnuttier than usual?



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Hizzout]
#291650 - 07/13/12 12:01 AM


> So to the OP: stop scaremongering, or, if you're not ultimately to blame here, at
> least do your own research before posting
>
> Why do research when FoxNews gives us all the "facts" we need in bite sized, sound
> quips (a.k.a. Glenn Beck and O'reilly shouting). Research schmesearch...

Somehow I doubt this information came from any of those sources. Have you done any research on the source of the false information, or is this just more of your ChickeNN-mongering? NiPpeR-mongering?



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: DMala]
#291654 - 07/13/12 12:58 AM


No not really. Just the form of wignuttyness just changes depending on which side of the coin is in power.

'911 is a conspiracy', 'how deep did the cigar go', 'read my lips', 'iran contra', ... and so on and on... Cant go much further back than that because as a kid I did not care...

You are just noticing it more as the internet gives platform to every crazy idea out there (good or bad).

It goes back to the way we get our news. Most 'news' is actually opinion pieces. Setup to change your mind to their view. They follow the 'question', 'evidence', 'conclusion' model most people are taught to write in 4th grade...



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: DMala]
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Quote:


I know every president attracts wingnuts from the opposite side, but is it me, or do the ones President Obama attracts seem a little more hysterical and, well, wingnuttier than usual?




Consider the conspiracy-mongering sources: They're mostly white, listen to Limbaugh and Beck as if they were the latest Christ figures with talent on loan from Gawd, don't bother to have a bit of healthy skepticism towards outrageous claims, etc.

Oh, and Obama is to them a Marxist-Lennist-Black Panther-Liberal-Terroristic-Non/Anti-Christian-BLACK man not born within the United States of America with a funny name.

Amirite?

Any bit of reality and research that contradicts ANY of that? The lies of the Liberal Media and its Socialistic homo-indoctrinating agenda!

Good luck trying to drop some Reason upon the Teabagger crowd (including that mag and The Nation). The walls fortified with their own ignorance and functional illiteracy are well defended with fear, loathing, and bullshit in general.

After all, it's soooooooo much easier to mindlessly follow the crowd as just another sleepwalking zombie than to think and act for one's own self and independence. They'll never know true freedom and that's the biggest American tragedy of all.

I feel like changing my avatar to the United States flag when I find a suitable picture to iconify (I like my current Space Invaders '95 one because it has a kitty and it's pink). :-)

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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: lharms]
#291657 - 07/13/12 01:25 AM


> No not really. Just the form of wignuttyness just changes depending on which side of
> the coin is in power.
>
> '911 is a conspiracy', 'how deep did the cigar go', 'read my lips', 'iran contra',
> ... and so on and on... Cant go much further back than that because as a kid I did
> not care...
>
> You are just noticing it more as the internet gives platform to every crazy idea out
> there (good or bad).
>
> It goes back to the way we get our news. Most 'news' is actually opinion pieces.
> Setup to change your mind to their view. They follow the 'question', 'evidence',
> 'conclusion' model most people are taught to write in 4th grade...

I am 41 and have been force to follow politics since the Carter era....(Thanks Dad) This go around seems to be worse than I can remember!



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Bekki Doll]
#291661 - 07/13/12 02:36 AM



> The lies of the Liberal Media and its Socialistic homo-indoctrinating agenda:

> The conspiracy-mongering sources are mostly white, listen to Limbaugh
> and Beck as if they were the latest Christ figures with talent on loan from Gawd,
> don't bother to have a bit of healthy skepticism towards outrageous claims, etc,
> and Obama is to them a Marxist-Lennist-Black Panther-Liberal-Terroristic-Non/
> Anti-Christian-BLACK man not born within the United States of America with a funny name.
>
> Any bit of reality and research that contradicts ANY of that?



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Welcome to Brezhnev's USSR new [Re: Renegade]
#291664 - 07/13/12 03:08 AM


Well, it's been going that way for a while – Bush was already big on increasing government power. You shouldn't be surprised at further developments in that direction. Well maybe, but your numbers don't match what the executive orders actually are.



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Misquoting is also a very subtle tactic. ;-) {nt} new [Re: TriggerFin]
#291665 - 07/13/12 03:30 AM





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Oh, sorry, meant to remove all the ">" quote marks. new [Re: Bekki Doll]
#291677 - 07/13/12 06:30 AM


Well, some of them, as the second bit fits perfectly as an example of the first bit.



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Re: Welcome to Brezhnev's USSR new [Re: Vas Crabb]
#291678 - 07/13/12 06:34 AM


> Well, it's been going that way for a while – Bush was already big on increasing
> government power. You shouldn't be surprised at further developments in that
> direction. Well maybe, but your numbers don't match what the executive orders
> actually are.

But they do; his numbers match those of the EOs described. They're just all old ones that have no bearing on things as they are now. Obviously a bit of conservative-baiting by some socialist group.



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Finding our sources new [Re: TriggerFin]
#291680 - 07/13/12 07:06 AM


> Obviously a bit of conservative-baiting by some socialist group.

The exact phrase "Just take a look at some of these Executive Orders that Barack Obama has signed" comes from Alex Jones' Prison Planet two days ago:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-now-controls-all-communications-via-executive-order.html

As I mostly expected from being familiar with discussion threads that Renegade has started before.

However, this phrasing is very similar and over a month old:
http://sharlaslabyrinth.blogspot.com/2012/06/just-take-look-at-some-of-these.html
... and found around: https://www.google.com/search?q="Just+ta...to+have+signed"

Going back EVEN further, we can trace the Internet appearance of the poorly researched phrase/rant "EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports." to February 27, 1997.

https://www.google.com/search?q="EXECUTI...2F1997&tbm=

Results: http://www.iahushua.com/WOI/FEMA.html

... and surely before that.

This stuff's been around for QUITE some time.

[EDIT] And this Snopes article seems to be in reaction to the most recent bout of it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ndrp.asp



- Stiletto

Edited by Stiletto (07/13/12 07:12 AM)



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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291681 - 07/13/12 08:14 AM


> this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?
>

It's all about easing the sheeple into a Police State mentality.



*edited to remove 2 videos, the 1st one is enough, & I'm not meaning to play off on emotions here *

Ha ha. "Easing".



Of course don't be foolish to think it's all about Obama. It's not a matter of Republican vs Democrat.




edit: Ooh!

http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2011/10/14/the-inevitable-obama-constitutional-convention/

Edited by Tom Braider (07/13/12 11:02 AM)



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Bekki Doll]
#291682 - 07/13/12 08:23 AM


> Consider the conspiracy-mongering sources: They're mostly white, listen to Limbaugh
> and Beck as if they were the latest Christ figures with talent on loan from Gawd,
> don't bother to have a bit of healthy skepticism towards outrageous claims, etc.
>

Hmm. Haven't listened to or watched either of those fellows for a long time. & I doubt I would if I had the opportunity.

> Oh, and Obama is to them a Marxist-Lennist-Black
> Panther-Liberal-Terroristic-Non/Anti-Christian-BLACK man not born within the United
> States of America with a funny name.
>
> Amirite?


You forgot to mention he was a puppet of the CIA and a closet Muslim.


Then there's this...




and...

http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=146059


Aw, what the heck.



Edited by Tom Braider (07/13/12 09:19 AM)



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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291693 - 07/13/12 05:18 PM


> this is kinda scary. am I the only one that doesnt care for the pattern I see ?

The only pattern here is one of uninformed criticism. -JW



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#291702 - 07/13/12 10:12 PM




I was just reading on the last exec order he signed last week on the control of
communcations systems being put under goverment control. along with the one he
signed new yrs eve and came across these. I just don't like the control of this
country and its people the goverment is slowly forceing. I don't care if it's
repub. or dem.

We are slowly loosing our privacy, our rights and all most can see is dem or repub.

This pres to me has pushed the limit more than the last and sadly our news says very
little about it. he was pres 184 wks and signed 124 exec. orders I would love to hear
cnn, msnbc, etc if bush had done this. they would have had a board in the back ground
with the number is big bold leters stating the number.



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Re: More on the fact that there is no need for concern. new [Re: Tomu Breidah]
#291703 - 07/13/12 10:17 PM


> > Consider the conspiracy-mongering sources: They're mostly white, listen to Limbaugh
> > and Beck as if they were the latest Christ figures with talent on loan from Gawd,
> > don't bother to have a bit of healthy skepticism towards outrageous claims, etc.
> >
>
> Hmm. Haven't listened to or watched either of those fellows for a long time. & I
> doubt I would if I had the opportunity.

I haven't either, but I know damn well that people who listen to Limbaugh and people who believe anything coming from those conspiracy nuts are two almost entirely separate groups.

Beck, I don't know anything about. Some kind of musician, no?



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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291704 - 07/13/12 10:40 PM


> I was just reading on the last exec order he signed last week on the control of
> communcations systems being put under goverment control.

You mean this one?
http://1461days.blogspot.com/2012/07/executive-order-assignment-of-national.html

> along with the one he signed new yrs eve

According to this blog again, he didn't sign one on New Year's Eve 2011.

January 19, 2012 - Executive Order 13597 - Establishing Visa and Foreign Visitor Processing Goals and the Task Force on Travel and Competitiveness
...
December 19, 2011 - Executive Order 13596 - Amendments to Executive Orders 12131 and 13539

Unless you meant some other year Obama was in office.

The real question is: are you reading anything I'm writing?

> This pres to me has pushed the limit more than the last and sadly our news says very
> little about it. he was pres 184 wks and signed 124 exec. orders I would love to hear
> cnn, msnbc, etc if bush had done this. they would have had a board in the back ground
> with the number is big bold leters stating the number.

George W. Bush enacted 291 Executive Orders in his 2922 days in office:
http://1461days.blogspot.com/2012/05/president-george-w-bush-administration.html

And as stated before, Obama has enacted 131 in his 1270 days (and counting days in office).
http://1461days.blogspot.com/2009/01/current-list-of-president-obamas.html

In 2001, his first year in office, President Bush signed 54 Executive Orders into law.

In contrast, President Obama, the 44th and current President of the United States signed 39 Executive Orders into law in his first year in office.

I don't seem to recall CNN freaking out about it.

- Stiletto

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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291705 - 07/13/12 10:57 PM


> I was just reading on the last exec order he signed last week on the control of
> communcations systems being put under goverment control. along with the one he
> signed new yrs eve and came across these. I just don't like the control of this
> country and its people the goverment is slowly forceing. I don't care if it's
> repub. or dem.
>
> We are slowly loosing our privacy, our rights and all most can see is dem or repub.
>
> This pres to me has pushed the limit more than the last and sadly our news says very
> little about it. he was pres 184 wks and signed 124 exec. orders I would love to hear
> cnn, msnbc, etc if bush had done this. they would have had a board in the back ground
> with the number is big bold leters stating the number.

So you're ignoring the fact that you were proven wrong. Good to know.

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Re: Suprising & scary at the same time. Need for concern ? new [Re: Renegade]
#291708 - 07/13/12 11:25 PM


> I was just reading on the last exec order he signed last week on the control of
> communcations systems being put under goverment control. along with the one he
> signed new yrs eve and came across these. I just don't like the control of this
> country and its people the goverment is slowly forceing. I don't care if it's
> repub. or dem.
>

I believe the source of the outrage over that executive order is an article on a Russian news site.
Obama gives himself control of all communication systems in America

If you read the executive order, it doesn't actually do that. Or, you can not read it and just listen
to what the Russians are telling you to believe. Whichever.



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#291723 - 07/14/12 02:51 AM



Quote:


We are slowly loosing our privacy, our rights...




...and by changing the subject you hope to evade falling for A LIE?!?!?

Simple fact: Lies can be produced at an astounding rate. No need for fact-checking when telling and spreading lies, half-truths and misinformation in general. They only need to fit a given narrative and nothing more.

A better course of action for you to take is to admit you made a big mistake in falling for that and make sure you don't do it again. There are already too many gullible people in this world. Don't be another one.

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#291775 - 07/14/12 07:22 PM


these are the one's Im talking about....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...es-preparedness

also Executive Order 13603 which has been pulled off the goverment website. just type it
into google and you can read it.

and this one....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...y-preparedness-


these are just a few....

Like I stated before... I think the goverment is grabbing power over the american
people and rights and again I don't care what party they belong too....

as far as the previous exec orders I have listed I knww some of them were old but if
you will look and actually read you will see this administration has either used those
as building blocks to the ones being signed to date or using them to further update or
amend those that are already on the books. just go to the white house site and pull up
the exec orders and start reading for your self.

I see no reason wby goverment needs to step in on private bussiness or the lives of
american people for any reason. we are seeing a goverment moving ever closer to the
book 1984. I have seen this country change soo soo much in 20 yrs I hate to see where
we are in another 20 and how many people will still stand up and make excuses for the
loose of their rights.... I feel sad for my children and grand children....



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#291792 - 07/15/12 01:11 AM


> I see no reason wby goverment needs to step in on private bussiness or the lives of
> american people for any reason. we are seeing a goverment moving ever closer to the
> book 1984. I have seen this country change soo soo much in 20 yrs I hate to see where
> we are in another 20 and how many people will still stand up and make excuses for the
>
> loose of their rights.... I feel sad for my children and grand children....






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Quote:


I think the goverment is grabbing power over the american
people and rights and again I don't care what party they belong too...




I used to make a big deal about politics back in the day. I used to be an activist and had no life...but I repeat myself. I just got tired of the empty promises and missed opportunities as allegedly "smart" candidates lost.

I realized that I was duped and came to the conclusion that the system failed long ago and I don't need them. In 2005 I gave up that nonsense. And once I gave it all up I found myself freer to see things more objectively without the cacophony of the echo chamber of campaign propaganda and governmental hysteria.

It's merely a coincidence that I gave up watching television later in that year.

I'm more concerned about my own part of the world and my own sphere of existence while making life a bit better for those within or near it. It is a waste of precious time to focus outside of that where things get distorted through distance.

Looking back I chuckle at how I used to be duped. And that's when I lost my fear of the government. And I saw how others get duped into that mindset through fear.

Most of the time all it takes to break out of that is to take a look around and ask yourself, "Is there really an immediate threat to me, right here and right now?" It's about a look at where you're at right now and seeing that there aren't any agents at your door or tapping your data lines and that there is no probable cause for such actions to be undertaken.

And yes, I've read Orwell. I'd be more concerned about the cameras and microphones being embedded into telescreens and computer displays that phone home back to their manufacturers than the government. Some tape to cover the lens, a quick snip of the lead wires to the microphone and you're secure. ;-)

--Bekki


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