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#235506 - 10/04/10 04:52 PM
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#235516 - 10/04/10 06:44 PM
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Cool. Now where have I seen this before 
EDIT: Gah.. hell you must have had patiencie... I can't even get OS6 to run
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#235525 - 10/04/10 08:19 PM
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Now you just need to get MESS working in there, so you can have MESS run MESS on MESS on..
(I know, not going to happen any time soon-- you'd need a more recent Mac since there's 99% certainity you can't compile this WIP build to run on that old hardware)
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#235528 - 10/04/10 08:27 PM
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> Cool. Now where have I seen this before
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> EDIT: Gah.. hell you must have had patiencie... I can't even get OS6 to run
Patience? Nah, I just know about the nice step-by-step articles we have up.
OS 6 install.
OS 7 install.
There should be some blank pre-formatted harddisk images up soon too.
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#235529 - 10/04/10 08:53 PM
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Is sharing a .CHD with a freshly installed OS out of the question, from a legal point of view?
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#235533 - 10/04/10 09:06 PM
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Oh you are a live and space saver R. Belmont 
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> Is sharing a .CHD with a freshly installed OS out of the question, from a legal point
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We're not sure. On the one hand, Apple puts the OS up for free. On the other hand, it's Apple
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#235535 - 10/04/10 09:14 PM
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Good point, it's always best to be cautious with Apple.
The installation instructions are easy enough to follow too.
Thanks 
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#235537 - 10/04/10 09:58 PM
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> Now you just need to get MESS working in there, so you can have MESS run MESS on MESS
> on..
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#235538 - 10/04/10 10:04 PM
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> RBWIP: MAME running in MESS.
like placing two mirrors in front of each other...
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#235540 - 10/04/10 10:35 PM
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why o why its always liek this..i follow the guide to the leter,but God knows why mess NEVER reogniuzes these kind of images..NEVER.leaving them in sea.bin format or extracting them into .sea and renaming into into .img,yield the same result,mess doesnt recognize them..why?
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#235543 - 10/04/10 10:53 PM
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> why o why its always liek this..i follow the guide to the leter,but God knows why
> mess NEVER reogniuzes these kind of images..NEVER.leaving them in sea.bin format or
> extracting them into .sea and renaming into into .img,yield the same result,mess
> doesnt recognize them..why?
Dunno, you aren't giving any detail, and this isn't really the right forum in which to do so.
Fair warning: if you're using a MESS official release and not latest SVN, most of this Mac stuff won't work. MESS doesn't have u releases, so around this time in the cycle things tend to be long in the tooth.
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0.138 works like a charm though. If you're running windows, you'll need StuffIt 9. Here's a good guide. Though, I've tried using Mac SE/30, though it only work on Mac Plus.
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#235548 - 10/04/10 11:18 PM
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Does this break their "Only Apple software can run on Apple Hardware" EULA rule or is the Mac OSX only?
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#235558 - 10/04/10 11:55 PM
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> RBWIP: MAME running in MESS.
Can an emulated MAC system in MESS load CDs? Either ISOs or actual drives?
I have a few games on CD I'd like to try out eventually.
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> Can an emulated MAC system in MESS load CDs? Either ISOs or actual drives?
MacOS of the era emulated is famous for not recognizing non-Apple CD drives, and that's just as problematic in emulation. I need to get the ID responses from a real Apple drive.
Most CD games required a PowerPC anyway, I think.
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#235563 - 10/05/10 12:39 AM
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yes i used that guide for running my macse and it worked with that.and yes i used stuffit.problem is ,that with the 0.6.5 sea.bin images,everything is ok.i extract them with stuffi it,which gives me the same files in .SIT extensions.opening these new files with stuffit once more gives me the utilities,system tools disks that are needed for the os.if i do the same with the os images belmont used,(0.6.8)the extension i have this time,once exctracted,is .sea and not .sit like the other ones.thsi extensions is not recognized by stuffit unfortunately.the guide that belmont linked,said to rename such images from .sea to .img.it doesnt work anyway..
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#235565 - 10/05/10 01:01 AM
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Windows user cannot use 6.8.0. You have to use 6.3 or 6.5
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#235566 - 10/05/10 01:07 AM
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> yes i used that guide for running my macse and it worked with that.and yes i used
> stuffit.problem is ,that with the 0.6.5 sea.bin images,everything is ok.i extract
> them with stuffi it,which gives me the same files in .SIT extensions.opening these
> new files with stuffit once more gives me the utilities,system tools disks that are
> needed for the os.if i do the same with the os images belmont used,(0.6.8)the
> extension i have this time,once exctracted,is .sea and not .sit like the other
> ones.thsi extensions is not recognized by stuffit unfortunately.the guide that
> belmont linked,said to rename such images from .sea to .img.it doesnt work anyway..
Are the resulting images 800k or 1.4MB? MESS does not support high-density floppy images at this time, you MUST use 800k install media.
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#235567 - 10/05/10 01:13 AM
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> Most CD games required a PowerPC anyway, I think.
Myst, Daedalus Encounter, BattleChess CD, etc. were all 68k.
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> > Most CD games required a PowerPC anyway, I think.
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> Myst, Daedalus Encounter, BattleChess CD, etc. were all 68k.
Myst sucks. Glorified screensaver. Bleh.
*ahem*
Most of what I want to play is in shareware CDs anyway; I just can't get the games because uh, they don't work on Windows.
I'll just use Basilisk or SheepShaver to get the games out of the CDs and copy them to a CHD or something.
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> Most of what I want to play is in shareware CDs anyway; I just can't get the games
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In that case, the easiest way is to have (access to) a Mac running OS X 10.5 - it'll mount chdman -extract images (name them .dmg and double-click in Finder) and let you drag and drop files into and out of them. 10.6 won't work - they made it read-only there which is a lot less useful. And since 10.5 will also mount .iso images by double-clicking it's quite convenient - I got 7.6 and 7.6.1 off .isos and into MESS exactly that way.
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they are 450 kb in sea.bin format,and 481 in .sea format
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> Myst sucks. Glorified screensaver. Bleh.
I once heard Myst is like Lost without characters. I have no words to describe how true that really is.
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Make sure it's 6.5 images and decompress them twice.
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> they are 450 kb in sea.bin format,and 481 in .sea format
Yeah, those won't work in those formats, you need to extract the .seas to get actual images.
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#235647 - 10/05/10 07:23 PM
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> > Most of what I want to play is in shareware CDs anyway; I just can't get the games
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> In that case, the easiest way is to have (access to) a Mac running OS X 10.5 - it'll
> mount chdman -extract images (name them .dmg and double-click in Finder) and let you
> drag and drop files into and out of them. 10.6 won't work - they made it read-only
> there which is a lot less useful. And since 10.5 will also mount .iso images by
> double-clicking it's quite convenient - I got 7.6 and 7.6.1 off .isos and into MESS
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Good to know, too bad I'm a Windows user and can only use Macs via emulation. ;p
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Hmm, where as I'm lucky that my mum's friend and mine has a Mac Mini with Snow Leopard on it
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Only two more years till the end of the world anyways -NT
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#235677 - 10/05/10 11:35 PM
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BTW nice job!
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> Hmm, where as I'm lucky that my mum's friend and mine has a Mac Mini with Snow
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Snow is 10.6, so you're not so lucky
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Oh well. Macs will always be an annoyance to Windows users. You ever tried getting Elite to run on a ZX Spectrum emulator for mac on Snow Leopard? XP
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> Oh well. Macs will always be an annoyance to Windows users. You ever tried getting
> Elite to run on a ZX Spectrum emulator for mac on Snow Leopard? XP
Not really. I don't have a problem with Mac systems, I have a problem with the company that makes them. :P
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I find MAcs visually beautiful. Case and OS. Using the buggers is when I lose my intrest. It took me a while of messing about, and I gave up on MESS in the end for the Mac since I just couldn't get it working. Eventually me and my firend got to play elite (with dominoes pizza ). And every APple product is hideously overpriced
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> I find MAcs visually beautiful. Case and OS. Using the buggers is when I lose my
> intrest. It took me a while of messing about, and I gave up on MESS in the end for
> the Mac since I just couldn't get it working. Eventually me and my firend got to play
> elite (with dominoes pizza ). And every APple product is hideously overpriced
Yes yes, of course
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> I find MAcs visually beautiful. Case and OS. Using the buggers is when I lose my
> intrest. It took me a while of messing about, and I gave up on MESS in the end for
> the Mac since I just couldn't get it working. Eventually me and my firend got to play
> elite (with dominoes pizza ). And every APple product is hideously overpriced
WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED MORE THAN ONE BUTTON ON MY GODDAMN MOUSE!!!!111!!
That's my major annoyance!
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#235855 - 10/07/10 06:11 PM
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Buy a standard USB mouse
Also, how did you get a 640x480 with colour R.B?
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> Buy a standard USB mouse
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> Also, how did you get a 640x480 with colour R.B?
By emulating a Mac with those capabilities.
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What Mac in MESS (0.138?) has colour abilities?
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#235866 - 10/07/10 07:11 PM
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> > they are 450 kb in sea.bin format,and 481 in .sea format
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> Yeah, those won't work in those formats, you need to extract the .seas to get actual
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#235874 - 10/07/10 08:58 PM
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> > > they are 450 kb in sea.bin format,and 481 in .sea format
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> > Yeah, those won't work in those formats, you need to extract the .seas to get
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> which program can do that,stuffit doesn't recognize those
Stuffit 9. Follow etabeta's instructions EXACTLY (do NOT improvise, get exactly the files he says and do exactly the things he says) and it will work.
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> What Mac in MESS (0.138?) has colour abilities?
Most of them, excluding the original, Plus, SE, SE/30, and Classic.
Tip: Apple menu -> Control Panel -> Monitors.
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Thanks, I'll try it after killing XP. Some reason, when i atach the mame dirves and my 300 and 160GB drives, it will always fail, but the disks themselves are fine...
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: R. Belmont]
#235883 - 10/07/10 10:47 PM
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this is what he says"Windows users would better stick to System 6.0.5 or ask to some friend with a Mac to decompress the files." i already have 6.0.5 working,i needed the 6.0.87 disk files to work
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Solstar]
#235884 - 10/07/10 11:26 PM
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Get someone with a Mac to decompress them then. Windows users can't use the files.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Naoki]
#235886 - 10/07/10 11:44 PM
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> Thanks, I'll try it after killing XP. Some reason, when i atach the mame dirves and
> my 300 and 160GB drives, it will always fail, but the disks themselves are fine...
It sounds like your pc or usb hub is probably underpowered for the number or type of devices plugged into it. consider getting a powered hub and plugging that into the pc, then plug half the devices into the hub and half to the pc directly.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Solstar]
#235887 - 10/07/10 11:53 PM
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> this is what he says"Windows users would better stick to System 6.0.5 or ask to some
> friend with a Mac to decompress the files." i already have 6.0.5 working,i needed the
> 6.0.87 disk files to work
The 6.0.8 files are 1.44MB, you can't use them on MESS.
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Re: Skynet has activated
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#235891 - 10/08/10 12:44 AM
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Actually, It was fine about a week ago in the same config, but I think XP got infected with a virus and is slowly failing.
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> > this is what he says"Windows users would better stick to System 6.0.5 or ask to
> some
> > friend with a Mac to decompress the files." i already have 6.0.5 working,i needed
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> > 6.0.87 disk files to work
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> The 6.0.8 files are 1.44MB, you can't use them on MESS.
There is a 800kb set of 6.0.8 out there that works fine with MESS. I don't remember where I found them, it was around the time when I started that CHD thread over at Bannisters.
Look:
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Sune]
#235894 - 10/08/10 01:37 AM
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The 800kb versions can be found on Apple's site too, exactly the same page with the 1.4MB ones too.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Naoki]
#235916 - 10/08/10 10:15 AM
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yeah, but for some reason those files do not uncompress correctly. that's why the discussion was started (have you read previous posts?)
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Re: Skynet has activated
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#235917 - 10/08/10 10:40 AM
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Yes, and if you read, the 6.8.0 800kb floppies can't be extracted using Stuffit 9 on Windows. Either stick with 6.5.0 or find a friend with a mac to decompress the files on OS X.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Naoki]
#235921 - 10/08/10 11:51 AM
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> Yes, and if you read, the 6.8.0 800kb floppies can't be extracted using Stuffit 9 on
> Windows. Either stick with 6.5.0 or find a friend with a mac to decompress the files
> on OS X.
this starts to be really funny.
you posted "the 800k files can be found at Apple's website", which sounded to me like: "ehi, Sune, you can find the 6.0.8 files you need in that place"...
and I replied "yeah, but for some reason those files do not uncompress correctly."
and you now repeat the same concept as if I said the opposite... can you please decide what you want to say, before posting?
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: etabeta]
#235923 - 10/08/10 12:05 PM
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I never said Windows users could use them, but that the 800kb exist in the same place as the others. They do not decompress on Windows.
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[Re: Naoki]
#235948 - 10/08/10 07:28 PM
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> I never said Windows users could use them, but that the 800kb exist in the same place
> as the others. They do not decompress on Windows.
..you could probably easily decompress them inside Mac OS 6-8 running on Basilisk II on a Windows PC.
Basilisk II allows for access to the host's filesystem, so moving files in and out is easy as pie.
I would attach the disk images here for everyone but even though Apple provides them free of charge on their site, nobody seems to know if it's legal to share them elsewhere.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Naoki]
#236109 - 10/11/10 07:34 PM
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Got it working now.
Upp..... Almost working.
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Re: Skynet has activated
[Re: Naoki]
#236130 - 10/12/10 02:34 AM
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> Yes, and if you read, the 6.8.0 800kb floppies can't be extracted using Stuffit 9 on
> Windows. Either stick with 6.5.0 or find a friend with a mac to decompress the files
> on OS X.
They can actually be extracted now on Windows using a utility called unar. When it extracts them the files will be the correct size (819kb) but will still have the .sea extension, you then just have to rename them to .dsk and they work in MESS.
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> Got it working now.
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> Upp..... Almost working.
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Re: Watch my stroke
[Re: Sune]
#236210 - 10/13/10 01:15 PM
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Actually, turns out I managed to corrupt the System Tools disk, and it crashes most of the emulated macs. Made it by mistake, oh well.
BTW, I know you need 800KB OSS 7 discs, but do I have to Torrent them or does Apple have them?
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Re: Watch my stroke
[Re: Naoki]
#236229 - 10/13/10 05:03 PM
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> Actually, turns out I managed to corrupt the System Tools disk, and it crashes most
> of the emulated macs. Made it by mistake, oh well.
Yes, I've seen this as well, the emulated Macs are very sensitive to floppy/HD image corruption, incidentally the same goes for Mini vMac. Basilisk II, not so much. Always shut down from the menu if possible (never ever ESC out of the emulated Mac) and keep backups of all your disk images.
I'm not sure if this will work in emulation - sometimes you can fix corrupted disks with 'Disk First Aid', just remember that you have to start up from something else if you want to run Disk First Aid on your system disk/HD.
> BTW, I know you need 800KB OSS 7 discs, but do I have to Torrent them or does Apple
> have them?
Apple never made any AFAIK but I know there are modified 800k images of 7 floating around.
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Re: Watch my stroke
[Re: Sune]
#236234 - 10/13/10 05:17 PM
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So if I search for them, I should be able to mount htem an dthen install OS 7 from inside OS 6?
And yeah it makes sense if the floppies cna crash a system, especially if a crashed program can cause the mac to crash. And I've started using the shutdown button, though I'd originally thought it'd do a ACPI thing and shut down the driver too :P
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Re: Watch my stroke
[Re: Naoki]
#236238 - 10/13/10 05:25 PM
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OK enough is enough. Any further MESS help posts need to be on the proper board (EmuAdvice).
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