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Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood
07/14/18 06:01 PM


> Hi! I see everyone speaks about mame emulation for Marbella Vice and American Laser
> Games, sure it will be amazing.
> As these games ran in an Amiga500 if I'm correct, they run in Winuae. I succeed with
> Gallagher's Gallery, Mad Dog 1 and MadDog2.
> You need a .bin rom and a .avi video file. At least, Gallagher's video is in youtube.
> Moreover 2 lightun are emulated, as most of these were 2p games.

TL;DR we all understand WinUAE is an awesome Amiga emulator, but our goals are different.

...

MAME's goal is to not just "let you play a game" but to preserve the contents of the laserdisc, and document the hardware even more thoroughly, above and beyond a simple AVI file. To the point where, if someone somehow acquired all the machinery required to record a brand new laserdisc, the captures preserved by the emulation's data/metadata could meet their needs to closely approximate the disc that previously existed.

Our system in place right now, while it works, does not meet those specifications. (Though in the interim decade-plus, our goals may have changed and the bar raised.)

MAME already has documented laserdiscs in the form of CHDs and hopes to increase the capture resolution (and upgrade the file format) significantly in the next generation by capturing actual RF signal from the player with the help of the hardware developed by the Domesday86 project and reinterpreting that signal. At that point, we hope it becomes a new archival quality laserdisc preservation standard, and have the goals of embellishing it towards that purpose.

The AVI files you talk about are of the sort that don't normally preserve the Manchester codes hidden in the vertical blank interval (especially if you're using downloaded files from YouTube). Actual laserdiscs not only encode analog video and audio, or analog video and digital audio, but also can encode a digital datastream (regarding frameseeking and stop information) outside the "visual" area that the viewer of the video sees.

WinUAE may be a stopgap experience to try it now, but if it never has ambition to help preserve a laserdisc beyond an AVI file that leaves whole lines of video resolution and data out of the capture, not to mention utilize that preservation, then while it might roughly approximate the game experience, I have not much hope for it as actual game preservation. I don't mean this in a disparaging way, but I really doubt that Toni even wants to tackle that, as that would require either CHD support or possibly LDIMG support, let alone the old M2V/OGG/VBI standard originally used by DAPHNE. (Of course he could always add CHD support, that would go a long way, and the code in question is open-source.)

But sure, you could use WinUAE and try it now...

As for Amiga emulation, there's no contest that UAE/FS-UAE/WinUAE is the better Amiga emulator. But that need not be the case. MAME's come a long way, and someday MAME's Amiga emulation will do everything WinUAE can do. It may take another twenty years, but it will happen, because some idle programmer somewhere will see a need and step up to the plate.

Welcome to MAMEWorld, it's not WinUAE-world - while there's WinUAE users around, this place is generally biased in favor of MAME's ideals. Enjoy your stay.

- Stiletto

Edited by Stiletto (07/14/18 06:18 PM)







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* DU: The great laserdisc flood SmitdoggAdministrator 05/12/18 08:39 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Doosh  07/16/18 09:23 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  07/29/18 12:58 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood StilettoAdministrator  07/16/18 02:35 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood SmitdoggAdministrator  07/16/18 03:26 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Doosh  07/17/18 11:12 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Doosh  12/23/18 03:26 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood gregf  12/23/18 09:59 AM
. * About Domesday Project... Qun Mang  12/23/18 06:21 PM
. * In motion MooglyGuy  12/23/18 12:47 PM
. * Re: In motion gregf  12/24/18 02:52 PM
. * Re: In motion jonwil  12/25/18 11:45 PM
. * Re: In motion gregf  12/26/18 11:02 PM
. * Re: In motion Foxhack  12/27/18 02:38 AM
. * Re: In motion MooglyGuy  12/26/18 12:03 AM
. * Re: In motion jonwil  12/26/18 10:41 AM
. * Re: In motion uman  12/23/18 04:28 PM
. * Re: In motion MooglyGuy  12/23/18 04:58 PM
. * Re: In motion uman  12/23/18 05:46 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood SmitdoggAdministrator  12/23/18 08:02 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/15/18 06:33 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood btribble  05/18/18 04:42 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/18/18 07:44 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/15/18 07:10 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JonasP  05/15/18 02:01 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MooglyGuy  05/15/18 04:20 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/15/18 04:43 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood swm3rd  05/16/18 09:03 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood R. Belmont  05/16/18 10:39 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood jonwil  05/19/18 02:32 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/29/18 06:13 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MooglyGuy  05/19/18 10:29 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Olivier Galibert  05/17/18 11:43 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood happycube  05/18/18 05:19 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/17/18 09:33 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Roberto Fresca  05/17/18 08:46 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood DoomSooth  05/17/18 01:01 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood agard  05/14/18 07:57 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood gregf  05/14/18 08:56 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood StilettoAdministrator  05/15/18 12:29 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood gregf  05/15/18 12:35 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood agard  05/15/18 12:15 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood gregf  05/15/18 12:30 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/15/18 03:20 AM
. * Mad Dog McCree! gregf  05/14/18 04:52 AM
. * Re: Mad Dog McCree! gamerfan  05/18/18 04:31 AM
. * Re: Mad Dog McCree! *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/14/18 04:56 AM
. * Re: Mad Dog McCree! Antny  05/14/18 06:07 AM
. * Re: Mad Dog McCree! gregf  05/14/18 05:02 AM
. * Re: Mad Dog McCree! Antny  05/14/18 06:11 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood casm  05/13/18 02:33 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood italiandoh  05/13/18 12:57 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood f205v  05/13/18 05:01 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood italiandoh  05/14/18 10:03 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/13/18 05:46 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood italiandoh  05/14/18 10:04 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/15/18 05:09 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood RdW  05/14/18 02:30 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/14/18 06:26 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/14/18 02:52 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood CTOJAH  05/13/18 11:25 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood taz-nz  05/14/18 11:32 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/14/18 06:15 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Roman  05/14/18 06:21 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/14/18 07:39 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/14/18 07:59 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood gregf  05/14/18 09:41 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/15/18 02:38 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Vas Crabb  05/15/18 08:04 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Olivier Galibert  05/15/18 07:21 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/15/18 04:23 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Tornadoboy  05/13/18 03:15 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood CTOJAH  05/13/18 11:15 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood StilettoAdministrator  05/14/18 12:28 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood CTOJAH  05/14/18 04:23 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood StilettoAdministrator  05/14/18 07:54 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood italiandoh  05/13/18 12:46 PM
. * I'm excited like a fridge MASH  05/13/18 02:47 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Master O  05/13/18 02:37 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood btribble  05/12/18 11:36 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood SmitdoggAdministrator  05/12/18 11:41 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood btribble  05/14/18 06:40 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/12/18 11:35 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MooglyGuy  05/13/18 07:15 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Foxhack  05/14/18 07:38 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood CiroConsentino  05/12/18 10:09 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood R. Belmont  05/16/18 10:44 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Haze  05/16/18 11:00 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/14/18 04:18 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood lharms  05/30/18 01:14 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Simon Inns  05/30/18 06:19 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Phasermaniac  07/14/18 11:25 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood StilettoAdministrator  07/14/18 06:01 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Phasermaniac  07/15/18 12:40 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MooglyGuy  07/14/18 01:44 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood taz-nz  05/15/18 12:40 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood SmitdoggAdministrator  05/12/18 10:11 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Shoegazr  05/13/18 01:03 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/13/18 03:10 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Shoegazr  05/13/18 05:13 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/13/18 03:43 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MooglyGuy  05/13/18 07:08 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood MC68K  05/13/18 07:13 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Vas Crabb  05/13/18 07:25 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/13/18 04:36 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood Vas Crabb  05/13/18 05:55 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood taz-nz  05/14/18 12:39 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/13/18 04:55 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/13/18 05:23 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/13/18 05:51 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/13/18 08:10 PM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood smf  05/14/18 03:31 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood JustNiz  05/15/18 02:46 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood taz-nz  05/14/18 01:14 PM
. * definitely material for MAME FAQ section imo gregf  05/14/18 04:45 AM
. * Re: Quick link to Aaron's Laserdisc explanation... Bad A Billy  05/14/18 05:28 AM
. * Re: DU: The great laserdisc flood *=/STARRIDER\=*  05/14/18 02:41 AM

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