They also had non-video shows that were worth watching up through the early 90's like Remote Control and Beavis and Butthead and used to sponsor cool non-music artists like the Brothers Quay and various Liquid TV artists. Then they turned into a lump of shit. It had to be because of some buyout, there's no way people in charge just lamed out that bad.
> They also had non-video shows that were worth watching up through the early 90's like > Remote Control and Beavis and Butthead and used to sponsor cool non-music artists > like the Brothers Quay and various Liquid TV artists. Then they turned into a lump of > shit. It had to be because of some buyout, there's no way people in charge just lamed > out that bad.
I think The Real World was pretty much the kiss of death for MTV. Once that was a hit, anything remotely interesting on the channel was doomed.
> It's interesting to think that might have been the first "reality show" in the > current definition. I don't remember one prior to it?
Yeah, they pretty much invented the genre. It's interesting, they *almost* made it into a scripted show using real people and at the last minute decided to go the "reality" route. It was a hit and the collective IQ of the TV viewing public dropped 10 points.
I didn't realize that Ken Ober died in 09 and that he was from Mass. I miss Heather and Shonda from the Idiot Savants show. Weird how I can remember two hotties seen briefly on TV 15 years ago but I can't remember which shirt I wore yesterday.
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> They also had non-video shows that were worth watching up through the early 90's like > Remote Control and Beavis and Butthead and used to sponsor cool non-music artists > like the Brothers Quay and various Liquid TV artists.
As much as I loved B&B and Remote Control, those were actually the beginning of the end. They demonstrated that MTV could get higher ratings (and a bigger pop-culture buzz) airing things that weren't videos, and after that it was all downhill.
Well I think there was room for more than just videos but not much, it would have required a lot of self restraint/discipline or whatever to not "just make the most money" but you could get away with the 85% videos ratio and not lose any cool points. I don't think that during this period they had lost sight of their vision (music television). B&B had music and IIRC the Brothers Quay did work with some musicians. And Liquid TV was probably the best show on television period so surely it can't be to blame. There was music on some of it anyway.
November 1981... I remember watching Mtv when it first came on over cable, played only about 15-20 videos all day every day for a while. New Wave had arrived in the States and my grandmother eeked out over A Flock Of Seagulls hairdo. And yes absolutely quarters and arcades (especially casino arcades) were KING back then. I had a hard time convincing friends and family in Sacramento that a music video channel called "Mtv" existed. They all thought I was full of shit until I brought them a Betamax tape with Ratt and Motley Crue videos on it. They never did let me have that tape back. Sacramento didn't have cable until around 1988, it was all rabbit ears until then.
> > > > I think The Real World was pretty much the kiss of death for MTV. Once that was a > > hit, anything remotely interesting on the channel was doomed. > > > very much agree. > liked it until about that time. > > > ...or maybe we just all got old?
I remember when the only two music video stations out there were VH1 and MTV. MTV is what I watched as a kid, and VH1 is what the "old folk", a.k.a. my parents, would watch. As many years/decades went by, I realized that I watch VH1 and VH1Classic a LOT now, and never watch MTV. I've always wondered if it's because I got old, or the two stations changed drastically and I like what VH1/VH1Classic has on now?
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Do any of the music channels play anything (decent) at all these days? The only thing that gets on screen are either pop songs with those awful sounding digitally modified vocals and talentless but rich pop 'stars' who have simply bought their place into music history rather than earning it (including those who won on Idol et al). Ask for The Wall video, and you get Justin Beiber instead because Pink Floyd is now 'whoa, too heavy, man' - just like asking a rock radio station to play something from Metallica that isn't Nothing Else Matters, Enter Sandman or anything else from the Black Album (so instead they play The Unforgiven from the same album anyway, or *shock horror* Turn The Page! Get a lottery ticket if the last one is chosen...).
Someone bring back AC/DC rocking through the streets of Melbourne, and, keeping with the MTV subject, bring back Beavis and Butt-head episodes, dumbass!
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> Do any of the music channels play anything (decent) at all these days? The only thing > that gets on screen are either pop songs with those awful sounding digitally modified > vocals and talentless but rich pop 'stars' who have simply bought their place into > music history rather than earning it (including those who won on Idol et al). Ask for > The Wall video, and you get Justin Beiber instead because Pink Floyd is now 'whoa, > too heavy, man' - just like asking a rock radio station to play something from > Metallica that isn't Nothing Else Matters, Enter Sandman or anything else from the > Black Album (so instead they play The Unforgiven from the same album anyway, or > *shock horror* Turn The Page! Get a lottery ticket if the last one is chosen...). > > Someone bring back AC/DC rocking through the streets of Melbourne, and, keeping with > the MTV subject, bring back Beavis and Butt-head episodes, dumbass! > > It's a long way, to the shop, if you wanna sausage roll!
Sadly that's like our grandfather asking for Charleston to come back. Let's get real, we consider that music great because we were teach it was great from a previous generation. The one or two before that still believe it's crap and don't give a damn for those "fabulous" guitar solos or strong vocals.
Sure it made a revolution, marked and era and precursed the music we know today. But just as videogames or anything lasting for a long time in society, it gets too cramped and reach to a point people forget what "the classics" mean. So they move to what they currently have and evolve to the new classics. Today there's so many music performers enclosed in every music genre that what marks a difference it's the looks. Today there's so many games you can't play all "the great ones" and we move to the next after like no tomorrow when we used to stick to one for months. It's a natural process.
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