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Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights.
#292268 - 07/20/12 01:01 PM


http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/339/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting

Bullet to the gut, right now. Let him bleed out niiiice and slow.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292269 - 07/20/12 01:53 PM


This.......this is just insanity. That's back in my old neighborhood. Not the best area of town, but you certainly wouldn't expect anything like this. Sheesh, 14 dead so far. 3 month old injured. 3 MONTHS OLD. What a terrifying ordeal.






I don't know what else to say....this is tragic.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Hizzout]
#292270 - 07/20/12 02:26 PM


> This.......this is just insanity. That's back in my old neighborhood. Not the best
> area of town, but you certainly wouldn't expect anything like this. Sheesh, 14 dead
> so far. 3 month old injured. 3 MONTHS OLD. What a terrifying ordeal.
>
>
> I don't know what else to say....this is tragic.

I got a chuckle when CNN called the area upper-middle class. I guess anything within 10 miles of Cherry Creek it high class now.

I just don't know what possesses people to do this. I get the rage, the causes of said rage, but taking it out on a theater full of strangers? weak.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292271 - 07/20/12 03:03 PM


A few years ago there was another shooting at that same mall. My wife was at that mall and had left just 5 minutes prior to the shooting. She passed a wave of police cars on her way out of the parking lot, and figured there must have been a fight or something.

The mall had been pretty ghetto, but they've been updating it over the past few years to help clean up their image.....I doubt they'll ever recover from this one.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Hizzout]
#292272 - 07/20/12 03:10 PM


> A few years ago there was another shooting at that same mall. My wife was at that
> mall and had left just 5 minutes prior to the shooting. She passed a wave of police
> cars on her way out of the parking lot, and figured there must have been a fight or
> something.
>
> The mall had been pretty ghetto, but they've been updating it over the past few years
> to help clean up their image.....I doubt they'll ever recover from this one.

I remember it being a little less than desirable, but better than most of the rest of Aurora. Funny, if I had to choose an area of Aurora to shop in, I probably would have picked that mall...



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292275 - 07/20/12 03:55 PM


I try not to have an 'eye for an eye' mentality. But justice needs to be served here.

Shooting in the knee caps first, then guy. All while watching family movies of the victims before he dies.

Sadistic...



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: TheBigAmbulance]
#292279 - 07/20/12 04:00 PM


Between Columbine, Platte Canyon, and now this Colorado seems to be a hotbed for this kind of stuff. I don't know why either. For the most part, crime is relatively low, gang activity is much lower than other major metropolitan areas, and people here seem pretty low-key and happy.

This is madness.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Hizzout]
#292290 - 07/20/12 05:56 PM


> Between Columbine, Platte Canyon, and now this Colorado seems to be a hotbed for this
> kind of stuff. I don't know why either. For the most part, crime is relatively low,
> gang activity is much lower than other major metropolitan areas, and people here seem
> pretty low-key and happy.
>
> This is madness.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/20/denver-shooting-victim-eaton-centre.html




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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292294 - 07/20/12 06:21 PM


I missed all the news, but seriously what DOES drive a person to such aweful results?







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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: GatKong]
#292295 - 07/20/12 06:37 PM


From everything that's coming out as we speak, it sounds like the guy is schizophrenic. Another Jared Loughner, pretty much.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292298 - 07/20/12 07:12 PM


> http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/339/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting
>
> Bullet to the gut, right now. Let him bleed out niiiice and slow.

Nah, that's too good for him. He'd die soon. Just lock him up in isolation for the rest of his days.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292299 - 07/20/12 07:13 PM


> http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/339/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting
>
> Bullet to the gut, right now. Let him bleed out niiiice and slow.

What's horrifying about these spree killings is that, in the end, there is nothing anyone can do. People will scream about gun control, and mental illness, and violent movies. Maybe we'll have metal detectors and armed guards at movie theaters now. But the next time some nut picks up a gun and decides that he no longer gives a shit about the human race, it'll happen again somewhere else. Very depressing.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Foxhack]
#292300 - 07/20/12 07:20 PM


> >
> http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/339/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting
> >
> > Bullet to the gut, right now. Let him bleed out niiiice and slow.
>
> Nah, that's too good for him. He'd die soon. Just lock him up in isolation for the
> rest of his days.

Meh, I can't see devising elaborate punishments for people like this anymore. Just put him down, like you would a rabid animal. It's cases like this that prevent me from completely supporting abolishing the death penalty.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: DMala]
#292302 - 07/20/12 07:58 PM


> What's horrifying about these spree killings is that, in the end, there is nothing
> anyone can do. People will scream about gun control, and mental illness, and violent
> movies. Maybe we'll have metal detectors and armed guards at movie theaters now. But
> the next time some nut picks up a gun and decides that he no longer gives a shit
> about the human race, it'll happen again somewhere else. Very depressing.

Well, you know how many shootings by unstable civilians are in Mexico? basically none. The shootings come usually from criminals or police, not from anyone able to buy firearms. Most controversial cases are high school kids bringing his dad's 9mm caliber pistol to school (notice I didn't say assault rifles or shotguns) injuring (notice I didn't say killing) two classmates. There's also other cases where these kids work for criminals and act as hitmen, but again not an average Joe with easy access to firearms. And these cases count for 1 in every 100 or so in USA.

Problem is even with a sudden gun control to civilians, there are so many firearms in civilian's hands it's now impossible to restrict the access. But hey, you can always buy a bigger firearm "to be safe" and increase the chain. You have no escape and sadly it's not your fault anymore either.



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I was just telling my wife there is a reason he didnt off himself... new [Re: italie]
#292303 - 07/20/12 08:04 PM



Either a coward, or he had more in store....

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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: DMala]
#292306 - 07/20/12 09:36 PM


> > >
> >
> http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/339/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting
> > >
> > > Bullet to the gut, right now. Let him bleed out niiiice and slow.
> >
> > Nah, that's too good for him. He'd die soon. Just lock him up in isolation for the
> > rest of his days.
>
> Meh, I can't see devising elaborate punishments for people like this anymore. Just
> put him down, like you would a rabid animal. It's cases like this that prevent me
> from completely supporting abolishing the death penalty.

Killing someone who does stuff like this is giving them mercy. Let them suffer for decades if not more than just ending their lives in a second.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Foxhack]
#292307 - 07/20/12 09:54 PM


For them to "suffer for decades" means they'd have to have a conscience, humanity, or decency.....of which they have none of, or they wouldn't have shot up a crowded theater in the first place.

I'm mixed about the death penalty but I do want to see this guy in court. The victims who were injured and relatives of the deceased deserve their say in front of this scumbag.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: DMala]
#292308 - 07/20/12 10:01 PM


This kind of stuff reminds me of "No Country For Old Men". When Tommy Lee Jones' charechter is visiting with "the old guy and the cats", he hears about horrible things done to people 100 years ago. "What you have isn't new." There is a lot of truth to that.

If people didn't hurt each other with sticks, it would be rocks. If not rocks, clubs, etc...

Gun control won't help...



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From Marilyn Manson after Columbine. Still relevant new [Re: TheBigAmbulance]
#292309 - 07/20/12 10:26 PM


Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?

by Marilyn Manson

It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.

A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.

We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.

When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.

Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.

Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?

America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."

The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.

It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?

I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.

I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.

MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Hizzout]
#292311 - 07/20/12 11:29 PM


> For them to "suffer for decades" means they'd have to have a conscience, humanity, or
> decency.....of which they have none of, or they wouldn't have shot up a crowded
> theater in the first place.

Prison, general population. Let every inmate take a shot at him. Just tell them they can't kill him or cripple him. Let's see how long he lasts.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Foxhack]
#292314 - 07/21/12 01:06 AM


I said it before, and I'll say it again. The death penalty should remain. It's the Life sentence that should be abolished! If you think someone should spend the rest of thier life in prison, with ZERO chance of parol, you are saying that you will never trust them in society. They will NEVER reform. In this case, stop feeding them and providing health care with my tax dollars and get rid of them!



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: italie]
#292342 - 07/21/12 05:48 AM


Everyone flocks to the temple of cinema to celebrate the violence through the Batman. Some retard brings the violence for real. Why is anyone surprised at this? This guy must think he’s a super villain. Hey, wouldn’t it be cool to be a super villain? I chuckle at all the post calling for the death penalty. It has never made sense to me. It’s an argument that collapses upon itself. Murder is wrong- so let’s murder the murderers. That makes us murderers then doesn’t it? That puts us on the same level of reasoning as the murderer. Wtf is the point then? If that’s ok then anything goes. Maybe we should all carry guns and body armor, or maybe we shouldn’t celebrate the violence.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Darth Mario]
#292344 - 07/21/12 06:24 AM


http://www.theonion.com/articles/sadly-nation-knows-exactly-how-colorado-shootings,28857/

Sad but true.

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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Stiletto]
#292387 - 07/22/12 04:45 AM


> http://www.theonion.com/articles/sadly-nation-knows-exactly-how-colorado-shootings,28857/
>
> Sad but true.
>
> - Stiletto



Still sad but true.



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Re: Don't even wait for a trial, he's waived his rights. new [Re: Foxhack]
#292397 - 07/22/12 06:43 AM



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Prison, general population. Let every inmate take a shot at him. Just tell them they can't kill him or cripple him. Let's see how long he lasts.




If he lasts then I feel he should be studied. After all isn't that the hope of sociology liberals who make a living off of this dreck hope for? To learn something?

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