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#345427 - 09/21/15 08:29 PM
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I Like M.A.M.E! 
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Hydranger]
#345432 - 09/21/15 08:48 PM
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These are nice.
In order for us to use them you need to supply us with the Zip files (I use Dropbox for the purpose).
Also - and I learned this from experience - Bezel lovers like to have original artwork combined with custom art in the same Zip.
For example - Alien Syndrome already has "official" artwork. If you give us your Zip, then copying it to Mame would over-write the official artwork, and it would be lost. Instead create a single Zip, containing both the original art and your own. Job done!
I have created a few Bezels, but totally lack any artwork skills - some of yours look as though you're creating some artwork yourself, which makes them that bit extra special. 
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Vaughan]
#345434 - 09/21/15 08:50 PM
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The good advice never ceases. Many thanks Vaughn, couldn't have done it without you.
I signed up to dropbox, will start zipping.
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
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#345455 - 09/22/15 04:37 AM
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Also - and I learned this from experience - Bezel lovers like to have original artwork combined with custom art in the same Zip.
For example - Alien Syndrome already has "official" artwork. If you give us your Zip, then copying it to Mame would over-write the official artwork, and it would be lost. Instead create a single Zip, containing both the original art and your own. Job done!
You can find the Official MAME Artwork here:
http://mrdo.mameworld.info/mame_artwork_ingame.php?p=a#here
And you can find Unofficial MAME Artwork here:
http://mrdo.mameworld.info/mame_otherart.php?p=a#here
As Vaughn suggested, before uploading your bezel artwork zips, check the Official MAME Artwork link to see if there is already existing artwork for it. If there is, be sure to include that artwork inside your uploaded zips.
Also, if you plan on making more new artwork, I would suggest/prefer making it for games that don't have any artwork available for it. There are still hundreds of good games that don't have any artwork... so it would be nice to have artwork made for them, instead of games that already have artwork. Know what I mean? But that's just my opinion of course.
I look forward to enjoying these. Thanks! And nice job!
Edited by Big Karnak (09/22/15 05:01 AM)
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Big Karnak]
#345465 - 09/22/15 11:29 AM
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I think the reality of Bezels is this:
Mame users, first and foremost, want original artwork (Bezels). No matter how nice/good custom artwork is, the original artwork wins out. This makes sense when you consider the stated goals of Mame itself, and the amount of time and effort Mame users put into getting scanlines correct, Mame cabinets authentic etc. Even aesthetically inferior artwork - if it's original - beats out custom artwork.
As you state, BK, there are literally 100's of games without a Bezel of any kind. These allow for creativity, and add to the overall Mame experience.
And a personal note: I love Bezels. I think every game is improved with nice artwork. However, my priority is the GAME. When designing/making Bezels, it's worth considering that players aren't likely to sit there gazing lovingly at the artwork, they're going to play the game itself. Given this, priority with regard to screen real-estate should go to the game. In short - the gameplay area should be maximized. This, logically, limits the dimensions of the Bezel. I'd of loved to have had a larger top and bottom area to work with in a 4:3 game when doing Bezels - but to do so would take away from the primary reason people use Mame - to play and enjoy the games. The number 1 reason I'll play a game in Mame and NOT display the Bezel, is when the Bezel makes the gameplay area too small. This happens quite a bit with official artwork, and is an example where Mame can't quite emulate the experience of playing the game back in the day. This is because the real experience was three-dimensional, Mame is two-dimensional - it lacks depth. Regardless, speaking personally, game first - artwork second.
Just my 2 cents.
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Out in interest I created the Zip for Dino. Find it attached.
There seems to be a bit of a strange one in that game - the opening screens seem to be in a different ratio than the gameplay screen. So for the first couple intro bits you'll see a black border at the bottom - but for the gameplay screen you don't.
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Vaughan]
#345472 - 09/22/15 03:36 PM
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Shit I think I crashed Postimage.org, I definitely helped!
He told me to do it (pointing at Vaughn) 
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Vaughan]
#345473 - 09/22/15 03:39 PM
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> Out in interest I created the Zip for Dino. Find it attached.
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> There seems to be a bit of a strange one in that game - the opening screens seem to
> be in a different ratio than the gameplay screen. So for the first couple intro bits
> you'll see a black border at the bottom - but for the gameplay screen you don't.
I wouldn't know, Dino-Rex ROM is in the bin.
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#345481 - 09/22/15 08:56 PM
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
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#345729 - 10/02/15 07:42 AM
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 Hello? Hello?!? Where are you, ya cunt?  Put the  down and show your face you coward!
I'm gonna give you to the count of 10, to get your ugly, yella, no-good keister off my property, before I pump your guts full of lead!  1... 2... 10!   
Keep the  ya filthy animal. 
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
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#345773 - 10/03/15 05:14 PM
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Man I'm old fashioned. Using the C word is real low rent, imo.
Sorry guys, I'm not the etiquette police or anything, but it's a bit much.......
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
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#345793 - 10/04/15 04:56 AM
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That word is used in a different manner in Australia. It's not such a harsh word there like it is in the USA and it's often used as a term of endearment there. Personally, that word is not usually in my vocabulary, but since he's from Australia and has been using it, I used it back with him. And we are just joking with each other.
Another example is like when Texans call each other "you son of a bitch" as a term of endearment. Seinfeld had an episode involving that phrase with George Costanza and Texan businessmen, lol.
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#345796 - 10/04/15 06:04 AM
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These kind of posts are way off-topic, out of control and have no business on this board. They are better suited for the Loony Bin.
Not trying to start crap with you Karnak, and I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you, but really, this board is a total mess.
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#345798 - 10/04/15 06:41 AM
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Just checking on his status, letting him know I'm looking forward to his work... and so I decided to make that post humorous. No biggie. I'm sure he didn't mind my post. I think your reaction over one post is a little hyperbolic and an overreaction. But I agree about not getting into a pissing match with each other. But, if we did, I'd let you win.... You --> <-- Me
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Big Karnak]
#345800 - 10/04/15 02:58 PM
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BK - you're wrong to embrace it, imo.
Still - each to their own. I just think it's extremely low rent, and the joke is over. Way over. I'm with Jason on this. Ho-hum.
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#345873 - 10/06/15 06:07 PM
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Calm down ladies, I'll tone it down, sheesh, humourless bunch o' cunts!
All of this, my posts, your help, my art, Vaughn's feeble attempt's at getting in the spirit of things, aren't serious. Just like M.A.M.E, it's a bit of fun, so calm down and get off BK' back, at least he threatened to punch me for running around here swearing my head off.
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#345874 - 10/06/15 06:15 PM
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I can't believe I feel a need to do this on a MAME board. Unbelievable. Still, if that's how it is - I'm putting you on ignore, and will no longer be able to see/read your messages. Well done. If BK keeps it up, I'll add him too.
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#345875 - 10/06/15 06:18 PM
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> I can't believe I feel a need to do this on a MAME board. Unbelievable. Still, if
> that's how it is - I'm putting you on ignore, and will no longer be able to see/read
> your messages. Well done.
But V........ 
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[Re: Hydranger]
#345876 - 10/06/15 06:33 PM
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your artwork? <--- that was a good one!!
Dude, there's a HUGE difference between having fun and being obnoxious but whatever, have fun. This is the last time I'm lowering myself to reply to this thread. I can't believe you find justification in these types of posts on this board. Oh well, to each their own.
Now, be gone knave ...
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#345877 - 10/06/15 06:56 PM
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
[Re: Vaughan]
#345925 - 10/09/15 09:17 AM
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>When designing/making Bezels, it's worth
> considering that players aren't likely to sit there gazing lovingly at the artwork,
> they're going to play the game itself.
I'm probably the only exception to this. I spend relatively little time actually playing the games. I mainly run them in attract mode and try to get as close as possible to what it would have actually have been like to have the real machine in my living room back in the day. So in that sense, artwork is just as important as the game. I've made lots of artwork (bezels, CPOs, and even kickplates) to fill out screen space because black space basically sucks; I just don't post a lot of it because it's pieced together from graphics I found online and couldn't determine where they came from to give proper credit.
Am I a freak for being content to watch the blinking lights?
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My MAME/MESS artwork files: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ABxeKgNIrKlIsyck7dx4V241NFQDWAF4
Related screen shots: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1U5IbvbVzYW97PuOOQuocvZFE_YJz7WIn
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[Re: Nightvoice]
#345929 - 10/09/15 03:27 PM
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Nah, not a freak, different strokes for different folks.
On your artwork, I feel your pain. I too have elements in some of my bezels that aren't attributed because I don't recall where they come from. However, I never claim them as my own, and obviously just post stuff for free, so don't feel especially terrible about it. In fact, in many of my Bezels, I don't even credit MYSELF in the LAY files. 
I'm sure the like of BK and Jason would be interested in at least seeing what you've created.
I have all the elements to make a Generic Mame bezel, I've just never found time to do it. Maybe I'll get to it soon.
On scanlines.... off-topic, but I've found them difficult to use. Not sure what I'm going incorrectly. What's the best you have?
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Re: Hydrangers House Of Bezels (is open for business)
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#345942 - 10/10/15 01:52 AM
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A lot depends on the individual game and what you want it to look like and the size/resolution of your monitor. The hlsl_prescale settings seem to make a big difference. These are the settings I'm using for Pac Man on a 42" TV at 1920x1080, which are the defaults I use for all games. But different games require different tweaks in the scanline params depending on if they have lower resolution or are in monochrome, etc.
hlsl_enable 1
hlslpath hlsl
hlsl_prescale_x 5
hlsl_prescale_y 5
hlsl_preset -1
hlsl_write 1
hlsl_snap_width 1429
hlsl_snap_height 800
shadow_mask_alpha 0.0
shadow_mask_texture aperture.png
shadow_mask_x_count 320
shadow_mask_y_count 240
shadow_mask_usize 0.09375
shadow_mask_vsize 0.109375
shadow_mask_uoffset 0.0
shadow_mask_voffset 0.0
curvature 0.1
round_corner 0.15
reflection 0.0
vignetting 0.0
scanline_alpha 0.8
scanline_size 0.8
scanline_height 0.9
scanline_bright_scale 1.0
scanline_bright_offset 0.5
scanline_jitter 0.2
defocus 0.0,0.0
converge_x 0.0,0.0,0.0
converge_y 0.0,0.0,0.0
radial_converge_x 0.0,0.0,0.0
radial_converge_y 0.0,0.0,0.0
red_ratio 1.0,0.0,0.0
grn_ratio 0.0,1.0,0.0
blu_ratio 0.0,0.0,1.0
saturation 1.0
offset 0.0,0.0,0.0
scale 1.0,1.0,1.0
power 1.0,1.0,1.0
floor 0.0,0.0,0.0
phosphor_life 0.0,0.0,0.0
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My MAME/MESS artwork files: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ABxeKgNIrKlIsyck7dx4V241NFQDWAF4
Related screen shots: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1U5IbvbVzYW97PuOOQuocvZFE_YJz7WIn
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#346404 - 10/29/15 12:26 PM
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
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#346426 - 10/29/15 09:08 PM
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I thought you had disappeared...
Looks nice. I look forward to you uploading these as artwork zips so we can use them.
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
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#346441 - 10/30/15 12:58 AM
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While I generally prefer artwork to be as close to the arcade original as possible, these are well done. In some cases, I had to go back and look at the official bezel to figure out what part was original and what was added. Nice job.
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
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#346443 - 10/30/15 01:56 AM
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Thanks Comboman,
I tried to widescreen the original Bezels by not touching the original (not possible all the time, but Commando/Mario Bros and the other bezels that had colour art were easier to extend out further than the bezels with comic art Ikari/Vigilante)
All I have done in most cases is obvious to the observant, I cut the bezel in half and then either placed the bezel to the outside edge or to the inside edge, leaving strips up either side to fill.
And now that I have taken a very close look at the bezels this time around I have actually corrected some very old typos from Instruction Cards and little things like that in the artworks that up until now, I am going to assume, have never been spotted/corrected before. So that's a nice thing to have done.
I will need help from the wider community to find hi-res art for some bezels that don't have much, R-Type, logos everywhere, No CPO's to find, even blurry ones that I am willing to replicate are not on the net, No bezel ever existed for it, so I'm struggling with that one.
R-Type 2 has a bezel, but only a cocktail version, no official bezels for either of them I am afraid. I found an original Bermuda Triangle Bezel picture on the net years ago, very small, but I used it for my version as there isn't another version in existence anymore.
Son Of Phoenix, Argus, Asterix, Athena, Outrun, Pinball Action, No Bezels, No art, some logos online, that's it. I had an Instruction Card in SOP in an earlier version but I have now found out it was Phoenix's Inst Card. so no Inst Card for SOP.
Vigilante and Space Invaders are killing me, have been on them both for days with no progress. In most cases you can scale up the original artworks in proportion only a little bit if their are comic book art elements like Rastan.
I actually found a massive Japanese Rastan version of the CPO with the lizards, which fit perfectly with the Bezel and like Commando it's like I just opened the artwork window up so to speak, so we can see stuff we never saw before, that's how I treated a few of them.
But my favourite Widescreen conversion success is Asteroids, finally did a version with no kink in the bezel like original had, while I understand most will prefer the kinked version, I just wanted to see if I could unkink it.
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#346446 - 10/30/15 03:58 AM
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Ok, that's enough for now, you've seen too much already. I will get zipping as soon as I finish Space Invaders and Vigilante, give me a couple of days.
In these zips as I understand it, is needed:
1. Original Bezel (Mr.Do's version? I presume)
2. Lay File (Original Credits plus an Edit Credit to me?)
3. Widescreenbezel.png (Original Credits plus Edit Credit?)
4. Please don't tell me I have to include original CPO, Marquee, Instruction Card,Side Art for every ZIP. Or do..
5. ..I just add everything (except LAY File) from Mr. Do archived Artwork ZIP's into a new Artwork ZIP I create?
6. 2 Lay Files, that's unpossible!
6. Heeelp Meeeee!
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
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Please don't tell me I have to include original CPO, Marquee, Instruction Card,Side Art for every ZIP. Or do..
Including everything that is in the game's artwork zip from Mr. Do's website is highly recommended. This way people have the option to use the official artwork or use your customized artwork.
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
[Re: Hydranger]
#346466 - 10/30/15 06:32 PM
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I believe there can only be one lay file in the zip. And that .lay file must include both the information for the official Mr. Do's artwork as well as your customized artwork information.
If you don't know how to do that, ask Comboman, he knows how. I believe you can just edit Mr. Do's .lay file and just add the information for your customized bezels in the appropriate spot.
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
[Re: Big Karnak]
#346480 - 10/31/15 02:53 AM
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Re: WIDESCREEN BEZELS
[Re: Big Karnak]
#346483 - 10/31/15 04:26 AM
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A single LAY file can define multiple "views". The original LAY file will have at least 1 view, usually called {view name="Upright_Artwork"}
You can add your own view with a different name like {view name="Widescreen_Artwork"}
(imagine the {} are less-than and greater than)
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