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Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
#237031 - 10/22/10 03:01 PM
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Just ran Tekken 3 (actually tekken3a) as a test in 140, and it seems to be about half the normal speed than normal on my old machine. Attract mode: ~48% in 0.139u2 and u3 (I don't have u4) versus ~23% in 0.140. Doesn't seem to be anything at MAWS stating namcos12.c was updated (actually, nothing under tekken3* since 0.130u1).
Tested on both W32 vanilla and i686 builds.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#237034 - 10/22/10 03:26 PM
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Lol...gotta love MAME and Playstation emulation..
Definately NOT a happy couple..
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237115 - 10/23/10 01:10 PM
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> And chipped consoles.
And half dead original consoles that make you turn it upside down to run Tekken 3! Then it sucks because you can't play it in Arcade mode without running into either Gon or Boskonovitch.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#237128 - 10/23/10 04:40 PM
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I noticed a massive improvement on this game when running on an intel i3 based PC, with 64bit MAME. The AMD chips just can't compete anymore.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237136 - 10/23/10 06:13 PM
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Another reason I'm definatly getting a Core CPU when I upgrade my pc.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#237144 - 10/23/10 08:11 PM
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Used Tekken 2 and 3 boards are some of the cheapest around. Notoriously cheap. Of course you have to have a Jamma setup to play them but the boards are crazy cheap because they made so many.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237158 - 10/24/10 02:00 AM
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Just curious, in arcade hardware/cabs, what's the pricing like?
<$/£100 Mega Cheap?
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237160 - 10/24/10 02:07 AM
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Actually I'm not sure what a good going rate quote would be for full cabs for them. I've seen them go cheap but so much of the cab market is determined by location. I mean I'd pass on $100 cabs all day long if I also have to pay for shipping it across the country but I'd buy them up quickly if I can pick them up down the street and they work. I don't pay much attention to cab selling rates in general though.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237162 - 10/24/10 02:26 AM
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I ask because when I was looking at online distrobuters (Apart from eBay and bidding sites), I saw this, which alone was enough to make me think it's a bit overpriced (£440.00). So, I wanted to know what's the general cheaply/averagely/expensively priced hardware.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237164 - 10/24/10 02:44 AM
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Everything from Coin-op Express is overpriced (and probably not even in stock). I'd look in a phone book for amusement machines or similar for stores you can drive to if you are looking to buy a cab quickly. If you're looking for something in particular it will probably take you a while. Unless you're going to build a collection I'd just get a Jamma cab with lots of buttons and swap out boards. Most bang for the buck. 
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237166 - 10/24/10 02:54 AM
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> Everything from Coin-op Express is overpriced (and probably not even in stock). I'd
> look in a phone book for amusement machines or similar for stores you can drive to if
> you are looking to buy a cab quickly. If you're looking for something in particular
> it will probably take you a while. Unless you're going to build a collection I'd just
> get a Jamma cab with lots of buttons and swap out boards. Most bang for the buck.
Not looking to buy a cab, was going to make my own harness like thing for playing the games, like:
Use my basic TV for the 15khz games
Use my LCD monitor for the 31khz
Have some basic JAMMA controls hooked up
ect...
But I couldn't bring myself a Cab home anyway, heck I'm not legally allowed to drive 
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Naoki]
#237168 - 10/24/10 02:59 AM
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If you're talking about making a standard Jamma harness out of parts, there is absolutely no reason in the world to do it. You can buy a brand new one for $10 that is of much higher quality than you could build.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237173 - 10/24/10 03:52 AM
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No, I mean, getting the proper edgeconnector with wires, but building my own way of connecting it at home.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237174 - 10/24/10 03:58 AM
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I don't really follow. To connect it to a TV or LCD you're going to need an RGB converter card, the Jamma connector and a compatible power supply. There's nothing left to really build yourself other than the controller(s).
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237175 - 10/24/10 04:24 AM
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The idea was to have a standard SCART connector on the back, a built in PC power supply and a custom control connctor at the front with a JAMMA connector at the side.
I've missed out details so maybe if I'm in the mood tomorrow or this week I'll draw out an idea for it, but it's 3:15 now, ima tired.. 
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Naoki]
#237184 - 10/24/10 06:36 AM
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In other words, you want a SuperGun.
It'd be cheaper to pick one up pre-made than to try to put one together yourself.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237191 - 10/24/10 10:22 AM
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Yeah I know those are one option, but I want to try make something myself. Like I said I left out details before. The actual idea was to make a DDR conversion box, in which I would have bought the real header lights and connected them upto the box so they'd light with it. It'd also do the Bass Lights, but I wouldn't use Neon tubes, knowing my luck, I'd be electrocuted for the 5 time on 240v 
I thought about it before generalising it, adding a JVD conveter to it aswell.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Smitdogg]
#237201 - 10/24/10 02:39 PM
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> Used Tekken 2 and 3 boards are some of the cheapest around. Notoriously cheap. Of
> course you have to have a Jamma setup to play them but the boards are crazy cheap
> because they made so many.
They are fairly cheap, I missed out on a Tekken 3 board for A$100 (it sounds really cheap once you hear of the prices of games in AU-land). But yeah, I would still need something to put it in first, and then hope that it actually fits through the front door of the house (unit/flat/apartment etc), unlike my GameCube display cabinet!
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Naoki]
#237206 - 10/24/10 03:15 PM
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> Another reason I'm definatly getting a Core CPU when I upgrade my pc.
+1
For now though, I'll have to wait for a while as I haven't been able to kill the old Celeron D or its hard drives under natural circumstances. Still on the same XP install I've had for over 5 years in daily usage/24 hour on-time. Is there really such thing as an unbreakable Acer?
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#237213 - 10/24/10 03:42 PM
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You should be able to find one cheaper than that even including international shipping on it (they are light) and you could probably hook it into that display cab with some work, depending on what it has/monitor type.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Heihachi_73]
#237274 - 10/25/10 04:20 AM
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> Just ran Tekken 3 (actually tekken3a) as a test in 140, and it seems to be about half
> the normal speed than normal on my old machine. Attract mode: ~48% in 0.139u2 and u3
> (I don't have u4) versus ~23% in 0.140. Doesn't seem to be anything at MAWS stating
> namcos12.c was updated (actually, nothing under tekken3* since 0.130u1).
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> Tested on both W32 vanilla and i686 builds.
Tekken 3 parent set runs at 100% here on 0.140 x64. Clone set I tested is buggy. I don't know what happened to MAME lately but I could never run 3D games such as Tekken or even as old as Crus'n USA at full speed before but now they run flawlessly. Is MAME using hardware acceleration now or something? But gives me great hopes that eventually all games will run at full speed someday.
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237284 - 10/25/10 05:40 AM
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> I don't really follow. To connect it to a TV or LCD you're going to need an RGB
> converter card, the Jamma connector and a compatible power supply. There's nothing
> left to really build yourself other than the controller(s).
He's in the UK, his TV has RGB SCART input. Just connect green to green and so on and it works..
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> Yeah I know those are one option, but I want to try make something myself.
Do it, it's easy if your TV has SCART input. All you need is an old AT PC power supply, a JAMMA edge connector, some controls and a bunch of wires.
Most of my old homemade supergun (I couldn't take it with me to Brazil, I actually managed to sell it!):
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
[Re: Smitdogg]
#237315 - 10/25/10 01:55 PM
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> You should be able to find one cheaper than that even including international
> shipping on it (they are light) and you could probably hook it into that display cab
> with some work, depending on what it has/monitor type.
Unfortunately, the display cab's monitor is a basic consumer model, non-digital LG television from the early 2000s (which has since been brought inside). Three possibilities, RGB (YCbCr or whatever) cables, AV (yellow/white/red) or the old RF which is virtually useless unless you have an old Sega or Atari lying around! Being an Australian-market TV, it does not have a SCART connector (these only started appearing when flat panel LCDs came out; in fact, my Hisense 22" LCD TV doesn't even have one!).
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237327 - 10/25/10 04:50 PM
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237373 - 10/25/10 10:54 PM
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> > Yeah I know those are one option, but I want to try make something myself.
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> Do it, it's easy if your TV has SCART input. All you need is an old AT PC power
> supply, a JAMMA edge connector, some controls and a bunch of wires.
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> Most of my old homemade supergun (I couldn't take it with me to Brazil, I actually
> managed to sell it!):
That's the idea. Though, My box would have multiple inputs for different boards and that...
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237374 - 10/25/10 10:56 PM
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Yep.
SCARt, the only usefull thing the French made...that and wine along with food
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> > > Yeah I know those are one option, but I want to try make something myself.
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> > Do it, it's easy if your TV has SCART input. All you need is an old AT PC power
> > supply, a JAMMA edge connector, some controls and a bunch of wires.
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> > Most of my old homemade supergun (I couldn't take it with me to Brazil, I actually
> > managed to sell it!):
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> That's the idea. Though, My box would have multiple inputs for different boards and
> that...
Not necessarily. My "Supergun" was JAMMA only.
Bomb Jack is not JAMMA, so I built a converter for it. You can clearly see it in the photo. Wires go from the edge connector on the game PCB to the small green PCB that plugs into the JAMMA connector that's connected to my controls, Power Supply and monitor.
This is easy to do once you have the pinout of the game, because 90% of all 80's arcade games use the same signals, if they're not "JAMMA standard" the only difference is that the ins and outs are in different places on the edge connector. Voltages, video signals etc etc are the same. Some games need -12V (Tecmo's Silk Worm is one that I know of) but you can get that from a PC power supply as well.
Other, older non-JAMMA games share pinouts, for example my Time Pilot and Time Pilot '84 PCBs both use the "Konami classic" pinout. This means I can use the same converter for both games, and many more...if I had other Konami games from that era.
The small PCB is called a JAMMA "Fingerboard", it looks something like this:
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237411 - 10/26/10 06:45 AM
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Hmm, hadn't thought of that actuslly...
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Re: Tekken 3 running much slower than usual
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#237482 - 10/27/10 11:09 AM
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> Being an Australian-market TV, it does not have a SCART connector (these only started
> appearing when flat panel LCDs came out; in fact, my Hisense 22" LCD TV doesn't even
> have one!).
Not entirely true. It all depends on how cheap you are ;-)
I have a Sony WEGA 32" CRT TV and it has so many inputs on the back (including 2 SCARTs) that I need a separate computer to keep track of the wiring and plugs.
Anyway, I have half a dozen Tekken 3 boards here, 3 Tekken Tags, more than 2 dozen Tekken/Tekken 2 boards and at least that many Soul Edge and Soul Calibur boards. Make me an offer via PM and I might sell you one....
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