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Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
#237147 - 10/23/10 08:29 PM
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I have the error message:
m50458_char.bin file not found
m50458_char_mod.bin file not found
Can some1 help me find the solution ?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Mmmonster]
#237150 - 10/23/10 09:06 PM
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you need to update the Nintendo Super System bios set (nss.zip)
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: CiroConsentino]
#237153 - 10/24/10 12:01 AM
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thanks for your answer but that's not it (i think..not sure if i have the latest version)
In 0.139 it works(with errors) but not in 0.140
Any other thought ?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Mmmonster]
#237156 - 10/24/10 12:43 AM
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CiroConsentino gave you the correct answer. NSS BIOS ROM was updated when 0.140 was released.
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[Re: Mmmonster]
#237159 - 10/24/10 02:02 AM
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: redk9258]
#237195 - 10/24/10 12:10 PM
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I updated and now it's working!!!
thank you all
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Mmmonster]
#237256 - 10/25/10 01:43 AM
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There is an snes driver in MAME? When did this happen?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237261 - 10/25/10 02:58 AM
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From MAMEINFO.DAT..
WIP:
- 0.140: Attempt to provide a correct M50458 char rom, used by the Nintendo Super System [Pat Dardenko, Angelo Salese].
- 0.138u1: Basic hook-ups of the Nintendo Super System BIOS [Angelo Salese].
- 0.102u3: Added dsp1data.bin dump.
- 0.100u4: Changed spc700.rom to user5.
- 0.100u3: Added new spc700.rom dump.
- 0.71u2: Added 'Nintendo Super System: BIOS' (Nintendo 199?) BIOS (spc700.rom, nss-c.dat and nss-ic14.02) and game Act Raiser.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: redk9258]
#237266 - 10/25/10 03:25 AM
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> From MAMEINFO.DAT..
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> WIP:
> - 0.140: Attempt to provide a correct M50458 char rom, used by the Nintendo Super
> System [Pat Dardenko, Angelo Salese].
> - 0.138u1: Basic hook-ups of the Nintendo Super System BIOS [Angelo Salese].
> - 0.102u3: Added dsp1data.bin dump.
> - 0.100u4: Changed spc700.rom to user5.
> - 0.100u3: Added new spc700.rom dump.
> - 0.71u2: Added 'Nintendo Super System: BIOS' (Nintendo 199?) BIOS (spc700.rom,
> nss-c.dat and nss-ic14.02) and game Act Raiser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Very interesting. But the question is, why?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Outrun2006]
#237267 - 10/25/10 03:28 AM
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> > From MAMEINFO.DAT..
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> > WIP:
> > - 0.140: Attempt to provide a correct M50458 char rom, used by the Nintendo Super
> > System [Pat Dardenko, Angelo Salese].
> > - 0.138u1: Basic hook-ups of the Nintendo Super System BIOS [Angelo Salese].
> > - 0.102u3: Added dsp1data.bin dump.
> > - 0.100u4: Changed spc700.rom to user5.
> > - 0.100u3: Added new spc700.rom dump.
> > - 0.71u2: Added 'Nintendo Super System: BIOS' (Nintendo 199?) BIOS (spc700.rom,
> > nss-c.dat and nss-ic14.02) and game Act Raiser.
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> Very interesting. But the question is, why?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Outrun2006]
#237269 - 10/25/10 03:35 AM
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> Very interesting. But the question is, why?
Ok just in case it is a serious question, there's Nintendo arcade hardware that uses the SNES components/design, while allowing time-restricted playing of SNES games with the help of an additional controller board/BIOS.
It's nothing special, just similar to PlayChoice-10 or Sega's MegaTech/MegePlay. It's been included in MAME for quite some years now. Maybe you should get hooked off of Outrun and look around 
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: CrapBoardSoftware]
#237287 - 10/25/10 06:00 AM
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> > Very interesting. But the question is, why?
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> Ok just in case it is a serious question, there's Nintendo arcade hardware that uses
> the SNES components/design, while allowing time-restricted playing of SNES games with
> the help of an additional controller board/BIOS.
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> It's nothing special, just similar to PlayChoice-10 or Sega's MegaTech/MegePlay. It's
> been included in MAME for quite some years now. Maybe you should get hooked off of
> Outrun and look around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thanks for the explanation Falcon.
Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route 
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237290 - 10/25/10 06:07 AM
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> Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route
It *is* the MESS driver. MAME also contains working Atari 800, Atari 2600, Atari Jaguar, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, TurboGrafix-16, Philips CD-i, Sony PlayStation, and Commodore Amiga drivers.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: R. Belmont]
#237292 - 10/25/10 06:10 AM
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> > Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route
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> It *is* the MESS driver. MAME also contains working Atari 800, Atari 2600, Atari
> Jaguar, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, TurboGrafix-16, Philips
> CD-i, Sony PlayStation, and Commodore Amiga drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was kidding. Lighten up RB
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Mmmonster]
#237294 - 10/25/10 06:25 AM
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> I have the error message:
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> m50458_char.bin file not found
> m50458_char_mod.bin file not found
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> Can some1 help me find the solution ?
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> thanks
I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or having to figuratively insert a coin.
I'm simply curious.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Master O]
#237300 - 10/25/10 07:28 AM
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> I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are
> already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or having
> to figuratively insert a coin.
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> I'm simply curious.
This is why it pays to read the entire thread before hitting reply
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=237269
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237321 - 10/25/10 03:08 PM
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> I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are
> already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or having
> to figuratively insert a coin.
But of course well-educated MAME users play them in MESS
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: casm]
#237323 - 10/25/10 03:44 PM
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> > I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are
> > already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or having
> > to figuratively insert a coin.
> >
> > I'm simply curious.
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> This is why it pays to read the entire thread before hitting reply
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> http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=237269
I already know that this system is just the SNES version of Playchoice. Thanks.
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Actually, you're somewhat incorrect.
From what I've been able to determine, at least some of the games ARE different. For instance, the NSS version of Actraiser has signifcantly increased difficulty and the removal of the sim stages. It seems to be harder than the unlockable Professional mode on the home version, in fact, possibly on par with the VS version of Castlevania.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Master O]
#237342 - 10/25/10 06:24 PM
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> > > I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are
> > > already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or
> having
> > > to figuratively insert a coin.
> > >
> > > I'm simply curious.
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> > This is why it pays to read the entire thread before hitting reply
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> > http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=237269
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> I already know that this system is just the SNES version of Playchoice. Thanks.
So wouldn't this technically answer your own question?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237352 - 10/25/10 07:57 PM
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> > > > I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but why play SNES games in MAME? There are
> > > > already several SNES emulators that play these games well without a timer or
> > having
> > > > to figuratively insert a coin.
> > > >
> > > > I'm simply curious.
> > >
> > > This is why it pays to read the entire thread before hitting reply
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> > > http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=237269
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> > I already know that this system is just the SNES version of Playchoice. Thanks.
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> So wouldn't this technically answer your own question?
I think he's saying he knows that there was an Arcade SNES, its good that MAME documents this but why would anyone in their right mind actually PLAY the arcade SNES games instead of just using the SNES emulator of your choice? (Yes MESS, use MESS, whatever)
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237353 - 10/25/10 08:02 PM
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> > Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route
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> It *is* the MESS driver. MAME also contains working Atari 800, Atari 2600, Atari
> Jaguar, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, TurboGrafix-16, Philips
> CD-i, Sony PlayStation, and Commodore Amiga drivers.
I can work out what pretty much all of those are for except the Atari 800 - what uses that?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237354 - 10/25/10 08:04 PM
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> > > Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route
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> > It *is* the MESS driver. MAME also contains working Atari 800, Atari 2600, Atari
> > Jaguar, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, TurboGrafix-16, Philips
> > CD-i, Sony PlayStation, and Commodore Amiga drivers.
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> I can work out what pretty much all of those are for except the Atari 800 - what uses
> that?
Max-A-Flex games. Namely:
Astro Chase
Boulder Dash
Bristles
Flip & Flop
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237355 - 10/25/10 08:09 PM
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> > > > Thought for a second they were trying to go the mess route
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> > > It *is* the MESS driver. MAME also contains working Atari 800, Atari 2600, Atari
> > > Jaguar, NES, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, TurboGrafix-16,
> Philips
> > > CD-i, Sony PlayStation, and Commodore Amiga drivers.
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> > I can work out what pretty much all of those are for except the Atari 800 - what
> uses
> > that?
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> Max-A-Flex games. Namely:
> Astro Chase
> Boulder Dash
> Bristles
> Flip & Flop
Ah, Thanks!
Boulderdash was one of my all time favourite C64 games, BTW!
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237359 - 10/25/10 08:32 PM
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> I think he's saying he knows that there was an Arcade SNES, its good that MAME
> documents this but why would anyone in their right mind actually PLAY the arcade SNES
> games instead of just using the SNES emulator of your choice? (Yes MESS, use MESS,
> whatever)
Okay, I can see that, and basically agree. Something of an 'Eats Shoots & Leaves' moment for me there
One thing I'll add to that, though: Firehawke brought up a good point here that some of the NSS games have different gameplay compared to their SNES counterparts, so it's understandable that someone may prefer those versions to the console releases.
But yeah, there're 90325534 SNES emulators out there that make more sense for doing the console stuff than MAME would be.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: Tafoid]
#237371 - 10/25/10 10:38 PM
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> Max-A-Flex games. Namely:
> Astro Chase
> Boulder Dash
> Bristles
> Flip & Flop
i thought, Max-A-Flex were C64-based games, not Atari 400/800.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237375 - 10/25/10 11:11 PM
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> > Max-A-Flex games. Namely:
> > Astro Chase
> > Boulder Dash
> > Bristles
> > Flip & Flop
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> i thought, Max-A-Flex were C64-based games, not Atari 400/800.
/******************************************************************************
Exidy Max-A-Flex driver
by Mariusz Wojcieszek
Based on Atari 400/800 MESS Driver by Juergen Buchmueller
TODO:
- add AUDMUTE port - muting all sounds on system
- fix LCD digits display controlling
- change lamps and time counter display to use artwork
******************************************************************************/
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: R. Belmont]
#237535 - 10/28/10 02:57 AM
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I don't (I mean I do, but I don't) know why people are so intent on playing these games at all. But I guess some could liken it to the difference between using old vs newer MAME versions.....at least somewhat....
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237539 - 10/28/10 03:51 AM
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I play SuperNES games with bsnes and Snes9x, Megadrive and Master System with GENS emulator, and PlayStation games with ePSXe.
these emulators are so much better for those who actually want to play these systems.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: casm]
#237571 - 10/28/10 06:29 PM
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Probably the most obvious one would be Super Mario World, which lets you select any level to start from, and has no option to save the game (which could be done after completing a castle, fortress, ghost house or a switch palace).
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: mogli]
#237572 - 10/28/10 06:30 PM
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While I typically use Nestopia or FCEUGX for NES emulation, I am prone to playing sessions fairly often in MAME too.
Why?
My first experience with the hardware was in early to mid-1985 when a local grocery store picked up a PC-10 machine. It's quite a nostalgia kick to be able to play SMB in the form I first remember seeing the game in. It doesn't hurt that I have a rather nice arcade stick with a rather similar throw and feel to the original hardware, either.
So, I'll just quietly await the day I can load the default ten carts into the PC-10 emulation and see it precisely how I remembered it, and continue using all three methods of playing the games I own.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237575 - 10/28/10 06:45 PM
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> I play SuperNES games with bsnes and Snes9x, Megadrive and Master System with GENS
> emulator, and PlayStation games with ePSXe.
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> these emulators are so much better for those who actually want to play these systems.
Thank you for your support. The next version of MESS will display Goatse if launched from your frontend :P
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: R. Belmont]
#237578 - 10/28/10 06:52 PM
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I don't think that MESS is supported in his frontend (except for basic launching options)
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237592 - 10/28/10 09:54 PM
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LOL.
that will be fun!
sorry, I didn't mean to be rude.
I don't play emulators much. mostly PC games.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237594 - 10/28/10 09:55 PM
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no, EL doesn't support MESS.
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: CiroConsentino]
#237623 - 10/29/10 07:41 AM
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but wasn't there some basic support for it in EmuCon?
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
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#237629 - 10/29/10 11:16 AM
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Re: Nintendo super system in mameui 0.140
[Re: CiroConsentino]
#237724 - 10/30/10 11:46 PM
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Quote:
LOL.
that will be fun!
sorry, I didn't mean to be rude.
I don't play emulators much. mostly PC games.
This seems to be taking a turn into Bin territory....
Quote:
My first experience with the hardware was in early to mid-1985 when a local grocery store picked up a PC-10 machine. It's quite a nostalgia kick to be able to play SMB in the form I first remember seeing the game in.
Jesus. I thought that set-up, with those screens and clunky navigation, was backward then. I still hate 'em.
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