We got Otomedius by Konami, which is sort of a boobied-spiritual successor to the Gradius and Parodius series. It has had some sequels/ports to consoles but for whatever reason the original arcade version is very hard to come by. There is some warez rip loader version floating around the webs but obviously that isn't suitable for mame. For mame we need a 1 to 1 copy of the hard drive, a bios chip dump and the full specs. It runs on a PC based system put together by Konami.
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> EX Board Hardware? > > I have this game on Arcade PC Loader ready.
You failed to read the first post: "There is some warez rip loader version floating around the webs but obviously that isn't suitable for mame." We already knew that, d5t. That doesn't help us at all.
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> > EX Board Hardware? > > > > I have this game on Arcade PC Loader ready. > > You failed to read the first post: > "There is some warez rip loader version floating around the webs but obviously that > isn't suitable for mame." > We already knew that, d5t. That doesn't help us at all. > > LN
Yes, i read well very good. Version - Konami Game - Otomedius Board - EX Board Hardware
The game is the same! but different only to be ripped or hacked whatever....
> We got Otomedius by Konami, which is sort of a boobied-spiritual successor to the > Gradius and Parodius series. It has had some sequels/ports to consoles but for > whatever reason the original arcade version is very hard to come by. There is some > warez rip loader version floating around the webs but obviously that isn't suitable > for mame. For mame we need a 1 to 1 copy of the hard drive, a bios chip dump and the > full specs. It runs on a PC based system put together by Konami. > > > http://smitdogg.mameworld.info/pics/otophoto.zip
Does it have any protection or encryption on the drive?
Also, random trivia: The artwork for this game was done by the guy who draws the manga Keroro Gunso.
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I've never had a hard drive in my possession that was protected from readout. I can't look at data and tell if it's encrypted but it looks like the only protection is with the dongle (and having correct specs like the graphics card). It will boot up to the game without it but before the game starts it looks for it. If it doesn't find it it gives an error and then reboots after a couple of minutes. In mame I am guessing that will be patched through/simulated unless there is a way for us to dump data out of the dongle.
> gives an error and then reboots after a couple of minutes. In mame I am guessing that > will be patched through/simulated unless there is a way for us to dump data out of > the dongle.
Konami dongle checks are traditionally pretty weak. It's possible on most of their late 90s and 2000s games to recreate the contents of the dongle entirely from the game itself (which is indeed how SMF got all the 573 stuff to run).
> > gives an error and then reboots after a couple of minutes. In mame I am guessing > that > > will be patched through/simulated unless there is a way for us to dump data out of > > the dongle. > > Konami dongle checks are traditionally pretty weak. It's possible on most of their > late 90s and 2000s games to recreate the contents of the dongle entirely from the > game itself (which is indeed how SMF got all the 573 stuff to run).
Any modern day security is pretty weak nowerdays imo. The best type of security is like what Gauntlet used, whereby it did a crucial thing and wouldn't work without it. I mean sure if you tried you could break any security, but my point is that most stuff is a simple dongle with code that's easy to patch out.
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> I've seen the whole cab pop up on Yahoo JP auctions a few times but never the cage > set. > > Nice catch, maybe we'll get to try it out on MAME in 20 years
Or build an ideticle PC (I have too many pentium 4 boards and CPUs for it not to work), patch out the security checks and I/o and go ahead.
I can't imagine it wouldn't be some derivitive of Windows using DirectX input or similar.
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> I've never had a hard drive in my possession that was protected from readout. I can't > look at data and tell if it's encrypted but it looks like the only protection is with > the dongle (and having correct specs like the graphics card). It will boot up to the > game without it but before the game starts it looks for it. If it doesn't find it it > gives an error and then reboots after a couple of minutes. In mame I am guessing that > will be patched through/simulated unless there is a way for us to dump data out of > the dongle.
So, assuming the drive can be read and there isn't anything out of left field, would it be easy to add to MAME? (Not expecting it to be playable for awhile, though, due to the hardware requirements).
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The drive is read and could be chd'd like any other and the bios is read out. It could be added to mame as a skeleton driver like any other PC based game or if the rules change to where mame could run them "direct" then it could run full speed.
> Yes, i read well very good. > Version - Konami > Game - Otomedius > Board - EX Board Hardware > > The game is the same! but different only to be ripped or hacked whatever....
The point is they don't want hacked or what ever by someone else. I trust these guys dump more than theirs. You should trust Smitdogg clean dump as much I do.
By the way. I got rid of Arcade PC with those games. No need for those when those will be added in the future.
> The drive is read and could be chd'd like any other and the bios is read out. It > could be added to mame as a skeleton driver like any other PC based game or if the > rules change to where mame could run them "direct" then it could run full speed.
Yeah but those rules aren't going to change anytime soon nor should they. Differences in the pc hardware you actually play the game on can (and does) cause errors and glitches. As I've said previously it's a bit pointless to put them in MAME, at least right now. I mean yeah, put a skeleton driver in, that's good for preservation, but a mame-like offshoot for pc based games would just make more sense.
What these type X games really need are wrappers/emulators to translate the video card calls similar to the glide wrappers we had to use back in the day on early console emulators. They are all XP pc games, but most of them are coded with a specific video card in mind. Some of the Raiden games released for the loader have some serious graphical glitches on certain video cards. One of the Blaz Blue games won't even load on ati cards!
But this isn't a emulation problem or anything, these games are fully compatable xp games, it's just they weren't tested on various hardware for bugs/glitches becuase they didn't need to be.
Different people will have differing ideas on how mame should handle them. When I asked about similar things 10 years ago I was told that sometimes some things are not emulated and are handled in a similar direct way. I don't know the specifics but this would just be going one step further. If the smartest brains at intel haven't even theorized a chip technology for their kids to build that will one day run these under "traditional" emulation methods full speed then I'd say it's time to start thinking outside the emubox and let the frigging CPU run the frigging CPU tasks. Or be a deranged masochist. One of the two.
> Different people will have differing ideas on how mame should handle them. When I > asked about similar things 10 years ago I was told that sometimes some things are not > emulated and are handled in a similar direct way. I don't know the specifics but this > would just be going one step further. If the smartest brains at intel haven't even > theorized a chip technology for their kids to build that will one day run these under > "traditional" emulation methods full speed then I'd say it's time to start thinking > outside the emubox and let the frigging CPU run the frigging CPU tasks. Or be a > deranged masochist. One of the two.
IMO you're not going to lose the sense of how the games worked since all PC arcade games are running the same code, you wouldn't lose acuracy. Only when 86x dies should true emulation be considered.
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> EX Board Hardware? > > I have this game on Arcade PC Loader ready.
It doesn't run on EX-BOARD.
There was an Otomedius PCB for sale some times ago oat Arcade Belgium forums. I didn't buy it because this game needs a touchscreen and lacks content if not connected to e-Amusement network.
> > EX Board Hardware? > > > > I have this game on Arcade PC Loader ready. > > It doesn't run on EX-BOARD. > > There was an Otomedius PCB for sale some times ago oat Arcade Belgium forums. I > didn't buy it because this game needs a touchscreen and lacks content if not > connected to e-Amusement network.
Yup, you are right. It´s only e-Amusement Cabinet, and exclusive on Konami.
> But this isn't a emulation problem or anything, these games are fully compatable xp > games, it's just they weren't tested on various hardware for bugs/glitches becuase > they didn't need to be.
No, they are not "fully compatible XP games". They were designed for specific hardware, just like any other arcade machine. The fact that that hardware is based on a legacy 32-bit PC means nothing in the long run. It's fixed specific hardware and it must be emulated in that configuration for the game to play 100% properly.
And yes, shitty Pentium 4 and Celeron games can be made to run full speed in emulation. An x86-to-x64 DRC is effectively the same thing as just running the code, just with the Ring 0 shit trapped out. VMWare 9 runs a lot of hardware-accelerated PC games and demoscene productions at full framerate.
> > But this isn't a emulation problem or anything, these games are fully compatable xp > > games, it's just they weren't tested on various hardware for bugs/glitches becuase > > they didn't need to be. > > No, they are not "fully compatible XP games". They were designed for specific > hardware, just like any other arcade machine. The fact that that hardware is based on > a legacy 32-bit PC means nothing in the long run. It's fixed specific hardware and it > must be emulated in that configuration for the game to play 100% properly. > > And yes, shitty Pentium 4 and Celeron games can be made to run full speed in > emulation. An x86-to-x64 DRC is effectively the same thing as just running the code, > just with the Ring 0 shit trapped out. VMWare 9 runs a lot of hardware-accelerated PC > games and demoscene productions at full framerate.
I always thought modern VMWare got a majority of its performance from Intel x86 VT-x, and AMD AMD-V. Guess I was wrong.
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