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Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
#368729 - 08/15/17 05:02 PM
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Hello 
Nice to meet you all. I desperately need some help please.
I am running MAMEUI 0.165 on my arcade cabinet and every ROM works perfectly fine except for one which is Mortal Kombat 4 version 3.0.
Whenever I attempt to run this ROM in particular, it is running mostly at 75% speed and the sound is quite choppy. Same instance applies to the other versions 1.0 and 2.1. I don't understand why this seems to be the case as I can run other 3D games like Tekken 3, Soul Calibur etc. at 100% speed.
I have ticked some options like "Triple Buffering", "Sync to monitor refresh" etc. on the Advanced tab for this ROM to run smoothly but it still runs at the same speed unfortunately.
If anyone can assist me in running this ROM smoothly, I will GREATLY appreciate it
My PC specs are:
Zoostorm 7010
AMD APU A10-6800K Quad Core Processor 4.1GHz
8GB Ram
2TB HDD
Running Windows 7
Kind regards,
AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368730 - 08/15/17 05:06 PM
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> Whenever I attempt to run this ROM in particular, it is running mostly at 75% speed
> and the sound is quite choppy. Same instance applies to the other versions 1.0 and
> 2.1. I don't understand why this seems to be the case as I can run other 3D games
> like Tekken 3, Soul Calibur etc. at 100% speed.
Tekken 3 and Soul Calibur run on original Playstation hardware, which is fairly cheap to emulate. MK4's "Zeus" 3D chip is more capable and takes more power to emulate.
> AMD APU A10-6800K Quad Core Processor 4.1GHz
That's your major issue - emulation leans heavily on single-core performance and AMD optimizes for multicore these days. An Intel CPU at 4.1 GHz would run MK4 no trouble at all.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: R. Belmont]
#368731 - 08/15/17 06:11 PM
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Oh. I see. Trouble is I am also using this CPU to run other emulators and they rely on multi core performance. Is there anyway to optimise my CPU so that it can operate on single-core performance?
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AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368739 - 08/15/17 08:00 PM
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You should see if current MAME preforms better than the old version that you're using now.
There was recent work done by CAPS0ff that would seem to affect and improve the emulation as stated by the comments there.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: B2K24]
#368740 - 08/15/17 08:21 PM
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I did actually try Mortal Kombat 4 on MameUI 0.188 and its still going at 75% speed. Any more suggestions? Will be greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368741 - 08/15/17 08:33 PM
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> I did actually try Mortal Kombat 4 on MameUI 0.188 and its still going at 75% speed.
> Any more suggestions? Will be greatly appreciated.
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> Kind regards,
> AnimeFan95
Your CPU isn't fast enough to run the game properly.
The emulation is also only likely to get slower (there are a lot of missing video effects even now)
There's nothing you can do about it.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: Haze]
#368744 - 08/15/17 09:16 PM
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But I don't understand.
Surely a Quad Core with 4.1GHz is enough to run Mortal Kombat 4? I was able to run it fine on my old PC which has an Intel Pentium CPU. What are the system requirements for it to be run effectively?
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368745 - 08/15/17 09:19 PM
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> But I don't understand.
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> Surely a Quad Core with 4.1GHz is enough to run Mortal Kombat 4? I was able to run it
> fine on my old PC which has an Intel Pentium CPU. What are the system requirements
> for it to be run effectively?
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> Kind regards,
> AnimeFan95
If You wanna play MK 4 (emulated) then go with Project 64. It runs at 100%.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368747 - 08/15/17 09:23 PM
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> But I don't understand.
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> Surely a Quad Core with 4.1GHz is enough to run Mortal Kombat 4? I was able to run it
> fine on my old PC which has an Intel Pentium CPU. What are the system requirements
> for it to be run effectively?
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> Kind regards,
> AnimeFan95
it runs at about 160% on my i7-4790K @ 4.00GHz during the first level. Some levels might be faster, some lower, I haven't checked. My CPU is no longer a 'current' generation CPU either.
AMD CPUs are bad for MAME, 75% is a bit lower than I'd expect, but not out of the realm of possibility.
The only other thing I can think of is if you have the shaders (HLSL) turned on and are using the integrated video of the CPU which is slowing things down, in that case, turn them off.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: CTOJAH]
#368748 - 08/15/17 09:24 PM
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Trouble is that's a Nintendo 64 emulator. I want to be able to run the arcade version of Mortal Kombat 4. Does anyone know if there are any other arcade emulators that will run MK4?
If one does not exist, then what do I need exactly to run it on MAME properly? Does MAME not fully support AMD CPUs?
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AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368749 - 08/15/17 09:27 PM
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> Trouble is that's a Nintendo 64 emulator. I want to be able to run the arcade version
> of Mortal Kombat 4. Does anyone know if there are any other arcade emulators that
> will run MK4?
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> If one does not exist, then what do I need exactly to run it on MAME properly? Does
> MAME not fully support AMD CPUs?
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AMD CPUs are crap.. Emulation is an especially demanding task that relies on good raw performance, AMD don't have that at all, their optimizations don't work for cases like MAME where you really can't cheat.
The only benchmarks I can find put your CPU at about half the real world performance of my 4Ghz Intel.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368750 - 08/15/17 09:28 PM
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Looks like You TOTALLY ignoring Haze's answers ?!
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: Haze]
#368752 - 08/15/17 09:30 PM
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Oh. So I have no way to increase the speed of Mortal Kombat 4 on my CPU?
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AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: Haze]
#368753 - 08/15/17 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the suggestion. I do not have HLSL ticked since I know that will decrease performance. So I am guessing an Intel CPU is the only way to run MK4 on MAME?
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AnimeFan95
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368754 - 08/15/17 09:34 PM
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> Oh. So I have no way to increase the speed of Mortal Kombat 4 on my CPU?
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> Kind regards,
> AnimeFan95
Based on the real world benchmarks I can find, and the speed it runs on my machine I'd say no. Real world benchmark put your CPU at about half of mine, mine runs it at 160% yours runs it at 75%, that's about half the performance of mine, that agrees with the benchmarks.
I've suggested trying to turn off HLSL if you're using that, but apart from that no, that's how fast your CPU runs MK4 in MAME.
A really old version might run it faster, but all the projectile transparencies, lighting effects and life bars are broken in earlier versions, so you really don't want to be doing that, it looks like shit and crashes frequently too.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: Haze]
#368756 - 08/15/17 09:50 PM
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I see. That makes sense. I have done some research on my CPU and I noticed that it has an intergrated AMD Radeon HD Graphics. Could that be whats causing it to run so slowly? Because I used to have a CPU on my old PC thats Intel Pentium G3240 3.1GHz Dual Core, and that ran MK4 at 100% speed.
The reason why I switched to this CPU was so I could run a wide variety of different arcade emulators. But of course that came at a price of running only 1 game slowly. Which of course is MK4. What would you recommend?
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368757 - 08/15/17 09:54 PM
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> I see. That makes sense. I have done some research on my CPU and I noticed that it
> has an intergrated AMD Radeon HD Graphics. Could that be whats causing it to run so
> slowly? Because I used to have a CPU on my old PC thats Intel Pentium G3240 3.1GHz
> Dual Core, and that ran MK4 at 100% speed.
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It shouldn't be making that much difference, especially if you're not having problems with anything else. As long as you have DirectX 9 installed and HLSL disabled MAME isn't going to stress that onboard GFX system.
But yes, the Intel you were using had better single core performance, only by about 15%, but maybe that was enough to keep it hoving just over 100%. AMD is rarely an upgrade.
> The reason why I switched to this CPU was so I could run a wide variety of different
> arcade emulators. But of course that came at a price of running only 1 game slowly.
> Which of course is MK4. What would you recommend?
I'd recommend what I have or better, of course that comes at a cost, and presumably you bought the AMD because you wanted to do things on the cheap. You can't have it both ways.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 4 on MAME
[Re: AnimeFan95]
#368772 - 08/16/17 09:21 AM
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