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Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
#375628 - 04/15/18 08:03 PM
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running mame version .161 paired with rocket launcher and using hyperspin as a front end.
I am capable of successfully loading and playing games through hyperspin. Only trouble is only 341 of the over 8000 games are available to play with the rest being in red. And of the 341 there are many that either start to load and kick back to menu of load into an unplayable game.
Im wondering if either my mame version, romset or both are not complete, working or compatible?
Any help is greatly appreciated and after thoroughly reading the rules im hoping i have not broke any with the above post.
Thanks
Blake
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: blake]
#375629 - 04/15/18 09:28 PM
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> Im wondering if either my mame version, romset or both are not complete, working or
> compatible?
Both. Your version of MAME is almost 3 years out of date, and it's most likely that the version of your ROM set doesn't match the version of MAME that you're using.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: MooglyGuy]
#375631 - 04/15/18 10:15 PM
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ok so i know the mame version is old as its .161. And i downloaded a romset for .161 but you think they still might not be compatible? Ive had several people tell me to download an even older version.
before this current version i have .186 i think of mameuifx and i could not find any full romsets for it so thats why i went to an older version.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: blake]
#375634 - 04/16/18 12:54 AM
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Beside roms, You should download BIOS & DEVICES packs as well and put them in the same folder with roms.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375635 - 04/16/18 01:02 AM
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ok cool and they should be specific to the same version correct?
thanks
Blake
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: blake]
#375637 - 04/16/18 01:15 AM
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I hate to tell you this but, you're talking to idiots there...
There's no real reason not to have a current up to date version & set. Even if you had .186 there have been a lot of improvements added in the, roughly, last year or so.
But if you really want to play those on your Windows 95 machine, you can fire up Mosaic or Netscape & keep looking for an ancient outdated set..
OR
Get CMPro(ClearMAME Pro https://mamedev.emulab.it/clrmamepro/) & have it rebuild a working set from that older MAME binary... It should be able to piece together a working older set from a newer set. It will just have to rename, reorganize, & delete a lot of the newer correct roms. Never tried going backwards but it should work...
If that doesn't work, I'd suggest a premium newserver & reader account & you can figure it out from there... (I know that far back is still on mine)
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: blake]
#375638 - 04/16/18 01:17 AM
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> ok cool and they should be specific to the same version correct?
> thanks
> Blake
Roms,bioses and devices are not updated/changed/renamed simultaneously, but always is better to use The newest MAME & rom sets.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: Bad A Billy]
#375639 - 04/16/18 01:21 AM
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> I hate to tell you this but, you're talking to idiots there...
????????????
Before You write down something like this nonsense, You should read again what MooglyGuy(and me, too) said about older MAME.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: Bad A Billy]
#375640 - 04/16/18 01:25 AM
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thanks for the info. no id rather have the newest if possible. im running windows vista which is old but not that old. If its going to make everything easier i will just download mame .196 from mamedev and then grab a .196 full romset.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: blake]
#375641 - 04/16/18 01:29 AM
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> If its going to make everything easier i will
> just download mame .196 from mamedev and then grab a .196 full romset.
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> blake
It IS the easiest way, also You will get the most of MAME. (Do not forget bios & devices)
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375642 - 04/16/18 01:32 AM
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i will start now and keep you posted.
thanks for your help
blake
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375643 - 04/16/18 01:46 AM
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He had .186 to start with...
I did read everything, & they told him to download an EVEN OLDER rom set!
Smart? Informed? Knowledgable? I think not...
If he was going to download all of that, why not just go ahead & update to the newest version/sets? It would sure be a whole hell of a lot faster & easier? Unless he had some emotional connection to v.161 or .186 which wasn't mentioned. And that's still not a good reason not to. Most likely being a beginner they'd have been back with questions about such & such not working in that version or another & we all know how that usually concludes.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: Bad A Billy]
#375644 - 04/16/18 01:49 AM
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yea im hoping vista will support the newest version. mame .196 stalled so im trying again.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375650 - 04/16/18 06:37 PM
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> > I hate to tell you this but, you're talking to idiots there...
> ????????????
> Before You write down something like this nonsense, You should read again what
> MooglyGuy(and me, too) said about older MAME.
It's cute that you'd defend someone who'd rather see you amputated at the wrists.
"idiots" = whoever told him to use an older version in the first place.
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: Sune]
#375651 - 04/16/18 06:59 PM
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> It's cute that you'd defend someone who'd rather see you amputated at the wrists.
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Oh ! - He wouldn't do that, on a contrary - He loves me 
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Re: Beginner Help Needed (hope this is the right category)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375656 - 04/16/18 08:47 PM
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so the .196 romset downloaded successfully and im now showing almost 8 k of games in the green. i still have to reconfigure everything to be able to play them and im hoping to do that tonight. ill keep you posted.
thanks again
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You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375657 - 04/16/18 09:34 PM
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: CTOJAH]
#375661 - 04/16/18 11:16 PM
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so as i was configuring i noticed that mame does not launch. it has a window that blinks quickly and thats it. no error message, no menu, and nothing loaded. Im wondering if i need to have a higher .netframework as my vista currently only has 3.5 i believe and sometimes after booting gives me an error message but then moves forward without issues.
Everything is smooth other than that.
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blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375662 - 04/17/18 12:20 AM
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Robbbert]
#375663 - 04/17/18 12:29 AM
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ok cool.
sorry for my lack of knowledge here but could you run me through how i would utilize your recommendations for opening mame?
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375664 - 04/17/18 12:31 AM
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looks like maybe a simple free download? should i be specific for vista?
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375665 - 04/17/18 01:10 AM
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i did an internal update driver software check and it came back that im using the most up to date.
mobile intel(R) 965 express chipset family
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375666 - 04/17/18 01:16 AM
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im looking at a Nvidia OpenGL 3.0 Beta Driver.
Any ideas if this is plug and play or will have to be formatted/setup?
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375669 - 04/17/18 02:09 AM
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> i did an internal update driver software check and it came back that im using the
> most up to date.
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> mobile intel(R) 965 express chipset family
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> thanks
> blake
So you want exotic unnecessary stuff like RocketLauncher and HyperSpin yet you refuse to use a dedicated modern GFX card.
What are the exact specs of your PC that you're working with here?
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: B2K24]
#375671 - 04/17/18 02:52 AM
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dell inspiron 1525
windows vista home basic
intel(R) pentium(R) Dual CPU T2330 @ 1.60GHz 1.60GHz
Memory (RAM) 1014 MB
32 bit operating system
both rlauncher and hyperspin run fine.
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375672 - 04/17/18 03:01 AM
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Robbbert]
#375673 - 04/17/18 03:16 AM
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yea i was wondering if ive reached its end but it has been able to successfully utilize a full mame setup with rocket launcher and hyperspin but it was mame .161 and the romsets were very incomplete so i switched to .196 and this is what i would consider my last hurdle.
im not against buying a video graphix card and installing if thats what necessary? Just was hoping to finalize everything tonight. ive got all the steps covered with a beautiful 20" magnavox CRT connected with an HDMI to composite adapter and boy does it look good.
As always im all ears as the computer end is not my specialty although i dare say im cutting my teeth. when i started it could not even go online or play a video. now were here at the doorstep of success!
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375674 - 04/17/18 03:38 AM
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so i borrowed another more modern laptop and hooked up the external hard drive and mame popped right up. so at least we verified its a good download.
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375675 - 04/17/18 04:17 AM
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375677 - 04/17/18 04:20 AM
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> im looking at a Nvidia OpenGL 3.0 Beta Driver.
> Any ideas if this is plug and play or will have to be formatted/setup?
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> thanks
> blake
Nvidia drivers won't do much good on a computer that doesn't have an Nvidia GPU.
It has been determined by looking into the collective crystal balls of the mameworld.net forums that your laptop has Intel X3100 graphics.
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Sune]
#375681 - 04/17/18 01:26 PM
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i downloaded it this morning but was not paying attention and did the offline link. not sure if it needed to be saved in a specific space but i gave it its own folder in the drivers section. unzipped and started the .exe file and completed installation. i was rushed so im not positive everything went as it should. so i might go back and redo. i tried opening mame and did get the command window to open up for considerably longer then before but nothing else happened after it closed back down.
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Bad A Billy]
#375682 - 04/17/18 02:49 PM
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> Try installing this:
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> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109 offline version ~96MB
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> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109 online version ~3megs
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> If you wiped the hard drive or re-loaded the OEM image that came with that craptop,
> this DX9c version is probably not on there & MAME needs it to run.
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> If that doesn't fix it, come on back! GL!
I actually think people are wasting their time with this.
It's a laptop, running Vista, with a really bad Intel integrated GFX chipset. That gives some indication of the age of the machine.
There's a very good chance MAME isn't going to run at all on it (non-power of 2 texture requirement etc.) and if it does the performance is going to be awful for most drivers. (because a Vista era laptop isn't going to have a good CPU at all)
Maybe some god-awful old version of MAME will run (and give a false illusion that things are being emulated properly) but the current versions that are actually good have steeper requirements.
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Haze]
#375683 - 04/17/18 03:39 PM
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I completed the download again and theres no change.
This computer may not be powerful enough to run this version of mame but it has successfully run .161. Ive had the entire setup working with rocketlauncher loading the games and hyperspin as the front end. Playing through to a 20" Magnavox with an HDMI to composite adapter. The Image was crisp and gameplay was fine on both schmups/fighters/and side scrollers.
Thanks
Blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375699 - 04/18/18 08:15 PM
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> This computer may not be powerful enough to run this version of mame but it has
> successfully run .161.
sometimes things like -video make a difference.
I had a core 2 duo laptop with an nvidia card which could use motherboard ram, but it was insanely slow. When using direct3d MAME ran fast until you did something like pressing tab or press f11 to show the frameskip.
Back then -video ddraw was an option, but that has unfortunately gone now. You can do -video gdi though, or -video opengl
If you find the last version of mame that ran fast (without any mame.ini, so it's using defaults) then that will give you a clue. If you're not using defaults, then try using defaults.
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: smf]
#375700 - 04/18/18 08:32 PM
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so far I'm still unsure where to or how to write/install/or change to GDI or opengl? I looked last night and could not find where to enter the info.
As of now the system is still set with .196 and I cant load it to a menu of any kind and I have not (to my knowledge) changed any settings, unless by pairing with rocketlauncher or hyperspin default settings would have changed.
.161 runs just fine. no issues of any kind other then finding romsets that match.
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Robbbert]
#375704 - 04/18/18 10:07 PM
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> MAME doesn't use .NET
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> You might have an issue with d3d your video card might be too old.
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> Try using -video opengl, or -video gdi to at least see if MAME will start up.
If anyone can tell me how to apply the above that will be greatly appreciated. I have been searching for any information valid to this and seem to be running in circles.
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: B2K24]
#375706 - 04/18/18 10:12 PM
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> So you want exotic unnecessary stuff like RocketLauncher and HyperSpin yet you refuse
> to use a dedicated modern GFX card.
also I'm very interested in seeing if I can utilize a modern GFX card with my current setup? If so whats the recommended option?
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375717 - 04/19/18 03:20 AM
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: Robbbert]
#375729 - 04/19/18 02:16 PM
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is it something like this:
mame.ini
mame.exe
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375730 - 04/19/18 02:26 PM
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weird. when i write out how i think -opengl is supposed to be used in the mame.ini file the post is deleted and looks like the above. is there a reason for that?
thanks
blake
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Re: You are welcome :)
[Re: blake]
#375731 - 04/19/18 03:41 PM
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ok i think i have it in theory as I'm not at my system to try:
in the mame.ini folder go to the OSD options and for the video setting switch to -opengl ???
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Blake
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