MAMEWorld Forums - EmuChat - Re: Volly Flip Out etc.

> > That is exactly the same picture i modified to show all 6 lamps.
>
> With Clean Sweep bezel accounted for, we're good here. The Volly Flip Out bezel
> would be a real additional welcome imo.

No problem! I'll take pictures in a very near future.

> After looking at photos, Flip Out does not use a blue, acetate overlay sheet like
> Clean Sweep does?

Well No and Yes...No if it is the upright model and yes if it is the cocktail model. Problem is that i've never saw the cocktail model but will eventually pop up somewhere like the upright model (until someone sold one on Ebay last year). But if you look at the flyers on TAFA about the cocktail model, it doesn't seems that it uses lamps at all but i can be mistaken and uses two control knobs instead of one lever/slider.

> Maybe it could have in the past, but only being a long time southern Californian, I
> have never seen these cabs way back in mid 1970s when they out there. I only saw and
> played Clean Sweep and that is it.

That would be logical to say that you never saw any Volly cabs in California since Volly was the Canadian version of Ramtek.

> Clean Sweep bezel has overlay piece taped to inside of the bezel piece. If Flip Out
> bezel or monitor doesn't have any old tape remnants, then I guess Flip Out didn't use
> any color overlay piece when it was first marketed.

For that, i'll have to check inside the Flip-Out cab to confirm (or not).

> > Yes, they are exactly the same. I even made a web page about Volly Industries and
> it's
> > affiliation with Ramtek: http://www.ccjvq.com/slydc/topic/volly/volly.htm
>
> Good page there. I happen to have purchased Volly Countdown schematics a few years
> ago.
> It actually shows Ramtek and then instead of Wipe Out, it reads Countdown instead.
>
> I also have Midway Leader paperwork, and one of the schematics has Ramtek Leader on
> the logic schematic instead of Wipe Out. And for Midway I also have the large D size
> foldout blue print sheets that show Leader.

That is very strange but great historical nitpicks (Keith Smith would surely add this in his book).

> Last year, I sent photocopies of paperwork to both DICE devs (Adam B. and Rich R.)
> so they could see for themselves when they were emulating Wipe Out for DICE.
>
> There are loads of stuff that need to be documented in proper order so exact history
> is documented would be ideal. Keith Smith has already done an outstanding job on his
> side. He provided some hard to find flyer scans for Dan H. (TAFA) over the years.

For that, i totally agree. Any kind of information regarding arcade history should be documented and noted since they are still many errors or missing infos out there.
I can hardly wait to read Keith Smith's book but in the meantime, i enjoy reading his "Golden Age Arcade Historian" blog! =)

> > I will take pictures of his cab next time i'll be at his house. The picture is not
> > photoshop, just modified with Paint Shop Pro 3.11 (yeah...i'm still using this old
> > paint software since i know it like the back of my hand). When i took notes, we
> didn't
> > had a camera at hand (or cellphones) to take pictures, but here are 3 pictures that
> the
> > seller put on Ebay last year:
>
> Those are good photos that the seller posted last year.
>
>
> > This is the same cab we picked up in Ontario last year (a good 3 hours drive) but
> was
> > worth it saving this rare game!
>
> Good work doing that. I need to ask more questions later regarding the Flip Out cab.

Thanks very much. Well, it would be the time to ask them "before" i go to my friend's house so i could answer most if not all of your questions.

> > Oh and i almost forgot...they are two other clones of Ramtek Clean Sweep: Universal
> Star
> > Rub and Sega Erase.
> > Only data i have on Star Rub is the flyer from TAFA (which can see the exact game on
> > screen BUT vertically) and as for Sega Erase, only a very brief description on a
> > Japanese site telling it was a rub-off Paddle game (which i DO assume it is a clone
> of
> > Ramtek Clean Sweep since it came before Atari Breakout, and makes sense, but still
> only
> > assuming).
>
> The game play could be the same, but the hardware might be different such as using a
> cpu instead of being non-cpu.

I totally agree on that too, they are "Breakout" clones in Japan that uses a CPU.

> I don't remember the exact game, but there is one example where I believe a non-cpu
> videogame was on the market and a different company marketed the same game maybe the
> following year, but made use of a cpu.

I have one in mind but it is the same company who both released the same game as a Discrete Logic and with a CPU: Midway (Taito) Ball Park (all TTL) and Midway Tornado Baseball (CPU - emulated in MAME). Both same game.

Also, Ramtek released Baseball and Deluxe Baseball and license it to Seeburg (they uses the same artwork flyer!), and also Volly Batter Up. All those released in 1974 and which, the game play is similar but not exactly look-alike Midway/Taito Ball Park, which also came out in 1974.

So not only Atari "Pong" has been cloned but many different games as well. Trying to catalog all the non CPU games and which is a clone (or license) of which one is a nut job but i'm crazier than a nut...LOL!!!

Just for instance, Midway Manufacturing Co. only released licensed games (only listing all TTL ones):

* Asteroid = Atari Space Race
* Leader = Ramtek Wipe Out
* Winner/Winner II = Atari Pong
* Winner IV = Atari Pong Doubles
* Ball Park = Taito Ball Park
* Playtime = Err...Gyro Pong ?? (still haven't figured this one)
* TV Basketball = Taito Basketball
* Wheels/Racer = Taito Speed Race
* Wheels II = Taito Speed Race Twin
* TV Flipper = Exidy TV Pinball

I'm i missing any others ?