MAMEWorld Forums - EmuChat - Re: Volly Flip Out etc.

>>The Volly Flip Out bezel would be a real additional welcome imo.

>No problem! I'll take pictures in a very near future.

Anyone there with a decent size flatbed scanner that can do scans of the bezel piece?
That would be the best solution if getting bezel support of a bezel in MAME artwork section. Best person to ask questions of doing this is Mr. Do

There might be a couple folks that could do the fix ups using Photoshop later to remove and replace any worn out sections of a bezel such as what would need to be done with Clean Sweep bezel scan because the Clean Sweep bezel I have is in poor condition.

>>After looking at photos, Flip Out does not use a blue, acetate overlay sheet like
>>Clean Sweep does?

>Well No and Yes...No if it is the upright model and yes if it is the cocktail model.
>Problem is that i've never saw the cocktail model but will eventually pop up somewhere
>like the upright model (until someone sold one on Ebay last year). But if you look at
>the flyers on TAFA about the cocktail model, it doesn't seems that it uses lamps at all
>but i can be mistaken and uses two control knobs instead of one lever/slider.

Volly Flip Out flyer
http://flyers.arcade-museum.com/?page=thumbs&db=videodb&id=2620

The cocktail table version is too small to use any backlit lamps such as what is used with upright cabs. And it looks like there is no color overlay mask either for the cocktail table model.

Clean Sweep cabs should mainly have the circular knob for controlling the player's paddle, but the photos that Zephyr took of a Clean Sweep cab in 2003 has same left-right joystick lever that can be seen with upright Flip-Out cab.

>>Maybe it could have in the past, but only being a long time southern Californian, I
>>have never seen these cabs way back in mid 1970s when they out there. I only saw and
>>played Clean Sweep and that is it.

>That would be logical to say that you never saw any Volly cabs in California since Volly
>was the Canadian version of Ramtek.

Some cabs get imported from overseas such as what happened to one For-Play Rally cab making its way from southern California overseas to Europe where someone in Europe took photos of the Rally cab that he purchased some time ago.

I did travel during summer 1982 with a drum corps and the corps went back east and up to Montreal and competed at Gill stadium and the top 12 corps competed in DCI finals in Montreal Olympic stadium in 1982. The bummer part is the rules then during early 1980s there was no kids under 18 allowed to go inside arcades after night hours iirc. I quickly darted in one of the places with a couple of other corp members, but got thrown out. I don't recall seeing any 1970s era games at that Montreal arcade other than Galaxians.

>>Clean Sweep bezel has overlay piece taped to inside of the bezel piece. If Flip Out
>>bezel or monitor doesn't have any old tape remnants, then I guess Flip Out didn't use
>>any color overlay piece when it was first marketed.

>For that, i'll have to check inside the Flip-Out cab to confirm (or not).

It might not have used a color overlay mask, but I am curious because if so because the overlay color might be a different shade instead of blue. Unless the previous owners thoroughly scrubbed clean the inside pieces of either the bezel or the monitor (maybe monitor has been changed in the past as well), there should be some remaining old tape remnants either on inside of the bezel piece or along the side edges of the monitor.

>>It actually shows Ramtek and then instead of Wipe Out, it reads Countdown instead.
>
>>I also have Midway Leader paperwork, and one of the schematics has Ramtek Leader on
>>the logic schematic instead of Wipe Out. And for Midway I also have the large D size
>>foldout blue print sheets that show Leader.

>That is very strange but great historical nitpicks (Keith Smith would surely add this in
>his book).

I am guessing what happened back then in mid 1970s is Ramtek had sent schematics to Volly and then a member of Volly's staff used a white-out tape with type written words of Countdown on the tape on top of the original printed word Wipe Out. That way when schematics were printed from a photocopier it would show Ramtek Countdown instead of Ramtek Wipe Out.

It is peculiar coming across this stuff when trying to find any schematics over the years for future non-cpu emulation.

>>I need to ask more questions later regarding the Flip Out cab.

>Well, it would be the time to ask them "before" i go to my friend's house so i could
>answer most if not all of your questions.

I'll send questions as a message later instead of posting on forum.

>>I don't remember the exact game, but there is one example where I believe a non-cpu
>>videogame was on the market and a different company marketed the same game maybe the
>>following year, but made use of a cpu.

>I have one in mind but it is the same company who both released the same game as a
>Discrete Logic and with a CPU: Midway (Taito) Ball Park (all TTL) and Midway Tornado
>Baseball (CPU - emulated in MAME). Both same game.

>Also, Ramtek released Baseball and Deluxe Baseball and license it to Seeburg (they uses
>the same artwork flyer!), and also Volly Batter Up. All those released in 1974 and
>which, the game play is similar but not exactly look-alike Midway/Taito Ball Park,
>which also came out in 1974.

To sort of clear things (hopefully clear rather than muddle), Ramtek licensed Baseball to Midway. Midway renamed their product as Midway Ball Park. Both Baseball and Ball Park are dual board non-cpu games. Ramtek Baseball has been dumped, but Midway Ball Park pcbs are on the wanted list just like Midway Leader.

Taito Ball Park could be a clone of Midway Tornado Baseball, but just my guess until any actual Taito Ball Park paperwork can be found later.

>Just for instance, Midway Manufacturing Co. only released licensed games (only listing
>all TTL ones):

>* Asteroid = Atari Space Race
>* Leader = Ramtek Wipe Out
>* Winner/Winner II = Atari Pong
>* Winner IV = Atari Pong Doubles
>* Ball Park = Taito Ball Park <--should be Ramtek Baseball verified by paperwork

>* Playtime = Err...Gyro Pong ?? (still haven't figured this one)
>* TV Basketball = Taito Basketball
>* Wheels/Racer = Taito Speed Race
>* Wheels II = Taito Speed Race Twin
>* TV Flipper = Exidy TV Pinball

I am not sure if Midway had business dealings with Exidy in 1970s. TV Flipper is same gameplay, but iirc the points scoring is different.

Whereas Exidy did deal with Chicago Coin

Going by Chicago Coin and Exidy

TV Pin Game = Exidy TV Pinball
Demolition Derby = Exidy Destruction Derby